Chuck
I know what you mean. Planned/pre-plan etc..used incorrectly. When a military action is taken with an intent, military (or militant) leaders use a coarse of action analysis (COA) in military terms. There are usually a number of COA's 3,4,5 whatever. Then the mil leader makes a COA decision based on how many "good things" and how many "bad things" can happen. The pre-plan/plan just means it was planned no matter what you call the planning process. Hope this helps a little.

2016: Obama's America - Entire Documentary Here
http://www.butthurt.co/obama/2016

@Joe Sousa - you read a web site with the domain "butthurt"?? Sounds legit to me!

If you saw the congressional hearing the other day you would know that the state department admitted that more security was asked for and denied. Check out c-span. They have replayed it several times. I would call you names naome but I am much more sophisticated than that.

If only it were a debate.

I would be a good deal less involved,
if more Facts and less Fox
were presented.

The author, Mark Alesse is a former lobbyist at the New York state house.

Read his submissions, and judge for yourself. If it walks like a duck, and quacks...
http://ricochet.com/Profile/471333

Lix re: the author..
still don't see the title..not hanging signs unless they claim their party..I get what your saying but I could apply that "walks like a duck" to a thousand subjects and situations but I won't unless it's pushed as an issue..

What does this post have to do with the subject of the article, which is about a so-called political war between Obama and Hillary Clinton?

I'm not getting why this is here..it's not related to the article which, I believe, is about Clinton taking responsibility for the Libyan terrorist attack.

And out from under his rock he crawls!!!!!!!

Joe all the Tea Party has done is clog congress with idiots who cant pass a energy efficient light bulb bill. But more to the point the American people see the tea party as stallers and unwilling to get the big fianancial deal done GET RID OF THE SLACKERS THAT CALL THEMSELVES THE TEA PARTY

OK about the first two or three statements are article related. Then you get weird. C'mon mike.

"Well we now have the emails proving that the people in the embassy wanted help which was denied. We also know that the administration was watching this go down in real time from a drone."

That's a pure fabrication.

" People this President needs to be voted and if not he needs to be impeached and maybe even arrested for treason."

Right - the classic Right Wing approach, if your stalling of legislation fails, indict over any suspicion raised by "un-named sources" if that doesn't work, question the authenticity of his election. If that doesn't work, invoke 2nd amendment solutions.

What part of this doesn't sound Fascist?

Naome, you are starting to ramble. Kind of sound like the President when he talks about Big Bird, binders,and the Romney he dosen't remember. We are watching a historical collaspse of an adminstration that drawfs the collaspe of the Nixion adminstration. RI is going to carry him, ???, so why bother?

"We are watching a historical collaspse of an adminstration that drawfs the collaspe of the Nixion adminstration"

Hardly. The NewsCorp axis would like to foist this to the faithful, but no.
http://www.archives.gov/education/lessons/watergate-constitution/

What you call rambling is more like cleaning up after a tractor trailer overturns.
In this blog, that trailer was hauling mostly trash. Cleaning up trash is a messy business. Given that so many misconceptions are tossed off on this blog as if they were incontrovertible fact - it may appear as rambling.

Most of the wildest claims feel that way, to me. Teasing out the truth may involve delving into difficult, interconnected problems - too big for Beck's Big Board.

FYI - That's what GB does? - grownups call that "ranting".

"RI is going to carry him, ???, so why bother?"
I suppose it's like therapy for cranks.

I'm intolerant of this hopped-up version of confirmation bias - it's as if the Obama
detractors WANT to believe the worst.

"Again, all-or-nothing thinking generally goes with intellectual fraud. If a system is untestable, it's because its proponents fear testing. By contrast, I'm confident enough in liberal and scientific values that I'm happy to see even partial adoption. Even a little freedom is better than dictatorship. Even a little science is better than ideology."

http://www.zompist.com/liberalism.html

"This is worse than watergate."

In your feeble opinion.

"Obama need s to be voted out in Nov.Our administration watched in real time and did nothing" Big talk. Prove it of pound sand.

"This is an OBAMANATION"

You got one thing right - and we're likely to retain him as President regardless of what you've read on conspiracy sites or heard as an approved Fox message.

Do you suffer from Fox Geezer syndrome, Mike?
There's no cure, but treatment is painless - try reading something published
outside the US, or in the Roger Ailes NewsCorp echo chamber.

You're being played like a fiddle.

http://blog.thesecuritydialogue.org/2012/09/10-facts-about-embassy-crisis.html

naomi I listened to the father of the navy seal who went against orders to try and save those inside at Benghazi he was a mile away and ran over to get in battle with TERRORISTS and was killed. The Obama administration wnt on blaming this on a video for many days even though they new it was a terrorist attack. But the question is why was the military told to stand down? Naomi you need to do some investigation on your own because you won't get much info frome the Pravda main stream media because they are in bed with the progressives (communists, socialists same thing) and by the way there are progressives in both parties. They all need to be voted out and they are 2010 was a beginning. I watched the congressional hearings on this and it is unraveling more and more every day.Go to theblaze.com and you will find truth because they don't have an agenda.To not expose evil is in itself evil. Boenhoefer

"Naomi you need to do some investigation on your own because you won't get much info frome the Pravda main stream media because they are in bed with the progressives (communists, socialists same thing)"

Okay, so what "resources" meet your stringent standards?

I agree with you Mike, this is jaw dropping shocking. Bold faced lies. But i fear Romney will strip benefits from people who need them, he is definitely not a friend of Autism, which is what I am most conerned with. So who to pick, the liar or the cold hearted devil?

Lori don't believe the lies from the main stream media and the Dems they drag the same old stuff out every election. They use scare tactics against woman, and the elderly don't fall for it Conservatives aren't evil people we care for our Country and our families and our God. The progressive movement is trying to destroy all of our values and traditions. Just check out the communist party agenda for America it will shine a bright light on what has been done and is being done, they are almost where they want to be we need to stand up now before its to late.

VP BiteMe spoke with the father of one of the two Navy Seals that died: Paraphrasing BiteMe ; How is it possible that your son had BALLS as big as "Que Balls"...to do what he did......NOT making this up...

Again, big talk.

Prove it. You're attempting to make political points at the grave of a Patriot.
Vultures have better table manners than you Tea Party hyenas.

They at least wait until the family can grieve.

"How is it possible that your son had BALLS as big as "Que Balls"...to do what he did......NOT making this up..."

SOMEbody (*cough*GLENNBECK*cough*) did.
This is a suspect story, and it sounds like the CIA messed up from this he said, she said article but I would want a more credible source than Fox news or a grieving father making accusations.

The mother of one of the fallen has asked Romney to refrain from using her son's death to his advantage. He has complied. Hucksters like Beck have no shame and you sycophants are just slavering over this - it's lower than squid shit.

“I don’t trust Romney. He shouldn’t make my son’s death part of his political agenda,” Barbara Doherty, Glen Doherty's mother, said on a Boston TV station.

"UPDATE: Late Friday afternoon, CIA spokesperson Jennifer Youngblood “no one at any level in the CIA told anybody not to help those in need; claims to the contrary are simply inaccurate. ” Jake Tapper 26OCT12

Any of you hacks remember Cindy Sheehan? Did you take her seriously?

"This lawless administration that is ruining our country needs to go."
"I have never seen a President lie so much, lose so many people in an administration, and continues to run off at the mouth and blame others. He is so incompetent to hold this office. "

You have a short memory, if you can't recall either Reagan or the Iraq fraud.
And yet, you and your Tea Party compatriots voted for Bush - twice.

Remember Saint Ronald? Of course you do, there's a Party approved poster
on you kitchen wall, no doubt. Probably the heroic tractor by a waterfall pose.

"By the end of his term, 138 Reagan administration officials had been convicted, had been indicted, or had been the subject of official investigations for official misconduct and/or criminal violations."
--Haynes Johnson, Sleepwalking Through History: America in the Reagan Years

Bush 43 appointed both Elliot Abrams and John Poindexter to his administration,
after they were indicted for the Iran-Contra scandal. You remember - when
Regan sent money to IRAN?

Do you suffer from Fox Geezer syndrome? There's no cure, but the treatment is
simple - take off the blinders, and read something that isn't printed on NewsCorp
stationary. If you can't verify a fact, it's a suspicion - or 'truthiness'.

FYI - How many of the Clinton administration were indicted?
How many of the Obama administration?

Which administrations were most investigated, by Congress?

"B) will admit that both parties contain political opportunists who are quick to press an advantage without thinking about consequences,"

It is rare that this notion is ever openly considered. When it is, it is not accompanied by any "Oblama/Odumba/O-klahoma" tripe.

This comment section, as are so many, is dominated by retired people with
scant curiosity and lots of free time. I wonder how many of those decrying
"socialism" partake of medicare benefits...

Mike, are you spoonfed this tripe, or on a steady Fox-IV drip?

Do you have any idea who Saul Alinsky (with a 'Y') was?
http://billmoyers.com/content/who-is-saul-alinsky/

In Alinsky's own words;

“I’ve never joined any organization — not even the ones I’ve organized myself,” Alinsky told Playboy in 1972, shortly before his death. “I prize my own independence too much. And philosophically, I could never accept any rigid dogma or ideology, whether it’s Christianity or Marxism…The greatest crimes in history have been perpetrated by such religious and political and racial fanatics, from the persecutions of the Inquisition on down to Communist purges and Nazi genocide.”

Saul Alinsky, interviewed in Playboy 1972

"These people were never vetted by the main stream media."
The Obama candidacy beat the Clintons. If any party apparatus could unearth hidden weaknesses in the opposition - it was the Clintons.

You're looking for a boogeyman under the bed, and it's nothing but dustbunnies.
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/why_obama_beat_clinton/

"And GOD help us if they get elected again because he will pull all the stops out to as he said fundamentally change America."

Well, if you're already prepped for Frankenstorm/Cybergeddon/Y2K/The 2nd coming then you're just a hop-skip and a jump from Galt's gulch.

We'll even forward your mail when you go.

Bah-bye.

"...and everyone who doesn't think like them is wrong"

You mean those of us that require a factual basis for belief think you're full of it?

"...maybe thats why obama lies so much he knows they will believe"
Perhaps you could layout what YOU know that the rest of us do not?

"...him because the blinders are on and there must be something in the coolaid."

That's just plainly stupid, and offensive. Do you have any idea where this phrase
arose, mike?

You Tea Party hacks dance on the graves of these innocent children, every time you claim someone that requires reason to make a decision "Drinks the koolaid"
I hope you choke, you grinning hyena.

The Kardashians do their little dance on the graves of only two.
You lot? Almost a thousand.

http://articles.cnn.com/2008-11-12/us/jonestown.factsheet_1_jonestown-airport-ambush-leo-ryan?_s=PM:US

"It must be true I read it on the internet, in a blog, a newspaper and I saw it on the news... it's true!" Are you suggesting that only eyewitnesses can recount events?

If that's so, no coverage will be possible if all the principals died.

If you're challenging the veracity of sources, what criteria apply?

I would suggest that if a fact can't be verified, and the presentation is damning
to someone named in the supposition - it's propaganda.

Using propaganda to make a political point is not new.
It's not News, either.

BONJOUR!

Wow.

I mean - how many talking points can you cram into one little package?
Particularly telling is how little of it is hinged to reality.

You get to vote, I take it? They won't let you drive under this kind of influence...

I'm sorry - is there something I said that was NOT true?

Facts matter. Lead, follow or get out of the way, Gramps.

I guess Stephen Greenwell just selectively deletes comments.

Jim - RTFM.

Hardly. There are terms of usage that I have also been called on.

You make a bold, unprovable claim in a public forum and don't expect to be challenged - that's just lazy. You want to rant? Try Craigslist.

You are kidding, right?

Find a source that is impartial, or at least credible than the originator.
This whole thing smells like a staged publicity stunt.

http://www.newshounds.us/2011/04/10/the_whole_world_reacts_to_glenn_becks_firing.php

As I said way above...the woman from the state department testified at a congressional hearing on CSPAN. No media no blogs no newspapers. She stated directly to the committee that extra security was asked for and denied. She also stated that she was in direct contact with the people on the ground in Libya during the entire incident. I don't have to prove anything. She already did it on October 14.

@katherine

Then it shouldn't be too hard to provide a link, should it?
Since I can't find it, I doubt it exists. If it can't be found, will you claim conspiracy?

You made a claim to further your agenda, now you must support it.
If you can't support a claim...

http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=17521403

.

Do your own homework. CSPAN would be a good place to start.

Do your own homework. CSPAN would be a good place to start.

The burden of proof cannot be shifted from the claimant to the skeptic.
http://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof

You've made a grand claim about "Who knew what and when they knew it"
without providing a quote, reference or traceable link.

This is similar to the circular reasoning provided frequently by Glenn Beck and current Fox outlets - which is closely related to personal incredulity.

Either you can explain something, and prove it exists, or it's fabricaction.

Which is it?

the problem right now the progressives are dividing us at every turn man vs woman gay vs. straight democrat vs. republican people we are all supposed to be Americans! We are all supposed to defend OUR Constitution we ALL need to keep our leaders in check. Things now are getting out of control due to political correctness And eventually it will destroy us from within if we don't stop it now.Our very foundations of faith, family and Country are and have been under atack since the 1960's When Communists put out there Agenda for America. We shouldn't bash other people because their views don't line up with theirs if we won't listen to them and seek TRUTH because as it has been said the TRUTH shall set you free! When we see truth it is known immediatly. But when we refuse to listen we stay in the dark. Truth drives out darkness.Whenever I ask someone on the left if they have watched someone or something they don't agree with I get the same answer no (blanking way) WHY IS THIS? My theory is they are afraid of the truth this is so sad to walk around with only a certain way of thinking. Our schools are failing us by not teaching our children to be open to different facts and come to their own opinions so sad.

Are you claiming that ABC is biased, and in this reporting - wrong?

Are you actually claiming that Glenn Beck is a clearheaded example of reporting?
And YOU'RE laughing?

Here's the essential objection I raise to what is being touted as investigative journalism - evidence from un-named sources that is not independently corroborated is being used to further an agenda.

If Glenn Beck (for example) makes a claim and then backs it up with another
claim that can't be independently verified - that's not corroboration.

It's suspicious, if you're remotely cynical.

I'm not claiming that Newshound is a source for data points in the Benghazi
compound debacle - rather that they're an aggregator that doesn't swallow
any fantastic story from Fox without verification.

They're just the first to pop up on a search, as they're most active.
If you doubt the veracity of them, and their claims, feel free to debunk those
that you can prove as false.

That's what they do with Fox 'News' on a regular basis.
They're good at it, as they've had so much practice.

It's not as if everyone chiming in here is chanting "HareKrishna" or "We follow our leader like mindless sheep" according to some script written by Rachel Maddow.

More often, it's a direct link to some outrageous pap smeared by Fox.
Just look up the screen - it's more of the same.

Man, he is SO fired.

He won't get fired because fox is fair and balanced. And theblazetv is run by its subscribers but started by Glenn Beck because he got sick and tired of the bias on the main stream media. He reports stories after full investigation and even then he tells peole to check out the stories themselves and don't just rely on him. If he is wrong he corrects it and i've only seen that happen a couple of times and the stories weren't wrong there was a minor detail that needed to be corrected. He has no agenda he cares for the America our founders created and not the progressive (communist) way we are heading. He is a true patriot and a man that has helped thousands of people with his charitable organizations. But the progressives don't like that because they believe we didn't build this and we can't do anything without big brothers help.

"And theblazetv is run by its subscribers but started by Glenn Beck because he got sick and tired of the bias on the main stream media."

I suppose Fox wasn't generating sufficient phony outrage for his taste.

"He reports stories after full investigation and even then he tells peole to check out the stories themselves and don't just rely on him."

And yet, you do. Here's a tip - if the claimant of an unsupported outrageous claim
can only provide "un-named" sources or "off the record" citations, it's not credible.

"If he is wrong he corrects it and i've only seen that happen a couple of times and the stories weren't wrong there was a minor detail that needed to be corrected."
http://www.scribd.com/doc/34319923/glenn-beck-lies
http://www.glennbeckunhinged.com/

"He has no agenda... not the progressive (communist) way we are heading."
That's both a self-fulfilling prophecy and contradictory.

I refer you to your recent American history, Joe McCarthy and the Red Scare.
Glenn Beck is flogging the same dead horse, and those gullible enough to forget
(or disregard) history have fallen for it, willingly.

For all your claims of checking background, you've let this guy slide.

" He is a true patriot and a man that has helped thousands of people with his charitable organizations." How did he get his money?

Fleecing his flock (that's YOU, mike)
http://www.glennbeck.com/2011/05/17/forget-gold-forget-food-storage-glenn-has-a-hot-new-investment-tip/

"One thing not in dispute for me is the Adminstration is either lying on this issue or holding back for political reasons."

It's getting deep in here. That is most DEFINITELY in dispute.
Given that Darrell Issa is the same attack dog that went after Attorney Gen Holder,
it's just more of the same - a return to the Ken Starr days.

Republicans are using the death of a Patriot to make political points.
That's Nixonian, at least.

"2. Have nothing to do with any of this. Quoting and arguing the past is ridiculous when discussing the Obama Administration.:

That strikes at the heart of the matter. Obama has been treated differently than every previous President. I would claim that the interference run by this Congress, intent on bringing down a clean operation like the current administration borders
the traitorous.

These hyenas have been grinning at this administration from the beginning - more anxious to take Obama at every stumble than to rebuild the country after 8 disastrous years under Bush 43. The sad part is that there is a vocal minority of the population - largely retired - cheering them on.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Bush_administration_investigations

http://www.examiner.com/article/hitting-below-the-belt-republicans-jab-at-obama-on-benghazi

Just search "Ft. Hood" or "workplace violence" and you'll see the ringing echoes
of this vendetta, and the measured, sober response of the Department of Defense to avoid changing the course of a Court Martial in progress.

Make no mistake, the GOP is intent to steal the thunder of this administration and is willing to use the suffering of the armed forces, diplomatic corps or any victim.

It's craven, and beneath the American ideal.

"Fox News is not the same as its pundit arm of The 5, Oreilly, Hannity Susturn etc. They are opinion shows period."

Since the mods kindly requested I rephrase my overly terse response;
That is a steaming load of male bovine excreta.

Great - let's have those citations and references handy.

"Otherwise, maybe you should evacuate because you are getting a little crazy now."

You wouldn't say that to my face.

Perhaps, in your limited lexicon, the word you sought was "incensed".

Do you find most people who agree with you are perfectly sensible, even clever?
Do you find that those in disagreement must be either defective, demented or
delusional? That's confirmation bias.

I refer you to the claim made by the OP and the inference that the State Department denied assistance to the Benghazi compound when it came under fire.

Nothing to date indicates this is remotely true.

Call me crazy, if you like - it is madness to insist on a clear reading of this - which
is not promoted in the 'opinions' tossed around with such conviction on this page.

Anyone that doesn't find the timing, duration and source of this Inquest troubling
has a very short memory and is holding this administration to a much higher standard than that born by those that came before.

Isn't The Daily Beast the web arm of NewsWeek? The same rag that ran,
"Hit the road Barack"
19AUG2012 as it's cover piece? You think the editorial stance of that publication has no bearing on any of the contributors? Do you think that the editorial staff has no control over the tone, content and depth of submissions?

Why is it that the Liberal stance in defending this administration from what amounts to slander is "slanted" or "leaning" and something so obvious as this is "un-biased" and run without an agenda.

Come on - just look at the cover...
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2012/08/19/niall-ferguson-on-why-barack-obama-needs-to-go.html

Make no mistake, this is an orchestrated attempt to undermine this administration immediately prior to an election. It's been done before, and skewed the results.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/mar/07/mitt-romney/mitt-romney-says-iran-released-hostages-1981-becau/

Naome, you have linked to the Daily Beast yourself. You cannot use them only when it suits your purpose. You are so focused on the medium that you miss the message. I don't care who Eli Lake writes for (by the way Newsweek almost always leaned left) he is well respected from BOTH sides as a man without an agenda. You cannot brush him aside so easily.

now now--don't be so hard on naome ;)
she evidently has lost personal control of keyboard and URL copy paste functions
I have long sensed naome is a LAWS victim (lonely angry woman syndrome). Sadly sounds like her only option for stimulating company is her abused keyboard (she's wondering why?)
Useless attempts @ civil discussion on here without her abusive, insulting key-stroking. She doesn't even notice she speaks out both sides of mouth & other orifices
sad minute by minute commentary display and obviously discouraging more diverse participation to encourage community conversation without abusive berating of everyone's personal viewpoints
naome, would you let us buy you a loving puppy perhaps to train you when nipping becomes biting? no one wants to play with you--so sad

@Pam - where have I used the Daily beast as a resource?
I scroll up to find no such reference.

"(by the way Newsweek almost always leaned left)"
I again refer you to their Niall Ferguson cover. If you don't consider that is both partisan, and slanted -right on the cover - what is your definition?

Again I say, does anyone honestly believe that today's editors neither direct the tone of stories nor exert pressure on their staff? That seems naive, to me.

@margaret - if you can't deal with the issues, and the abuse of facts to make a
case - to any agenda - you're wasting our time. Is there anything I've said here that does NOT have a factual underpinning?

If you're so intellectually lazy as to make a wild claim that you can neither support or cite, then you're not debating - you're regurgitating. This is how Hyenas carry sustenance to their pups - they don't have handbags or pockets.

We that actively read books and don't trust politicians any further than we can throw them have been too nice, for too long to you wingnuts.

This isn't Fox - facts matter.
If you can't prove it - it's not a fact.

That matters.

Naome asks me "Where Have I used the Daily beast as a resource?" Naome did you or did you not link to an article on the Patch from the Daily Beast entitled "In Sex Scandals GOP Trumps Democrats." Funny how the Daily Beast is okay to reference when it works to create your own narrative but is some how off limits when it doesn't. You are playing a heads I win tails you lose game.

Katherine
Do you mean Charlene Lamb the RSO and then LTC Andrew Wood right after her?

Yes, it is right there on the CSPAN web site for everyone to see.

You're right Katherine most hypocritical poster on here as usual is NL. When you try to dispute the actual persons involved at a Congressional hearing and blame the questioners or something someone got away with decades ago etc as a reasoning why her hero's should get away with or a pass now. Something wrong with that mindset.

Didn't know all the posters her were media persons and their opinions need to have citations and references when commenting as an opinion.

Webster; Definition of OPINION

1. a: a view, judgment, or appraisal formed in the mind about a particular matter.

It has become an exercise in futility to even post a difference of opinion to NL. It is not debate it is an invitation to get slammed with nonsense links of other opinions, and request for proof. This is not a "Court of Law" nor a "Grand Jury" proceeding. It is the personal opinions of posters.

6 weeks after this attack and this Administration still can't admit a video had nothing to do with it or it was a terroist attack? In my opinion they are lying through their teeth. If any Administration did this I would say the same thing. NL would say I am a Tea party member and insinute a racist as she has stated before that the teas party is. That is the old race baiting trick so prevailent in the DEM party today. Very sad indeed.

No need to reply NL, I allready know what the answer is lol.

LOL!

that's a fairly neutral article..wow..I just said that about CNN

"But, now seems that the State Department was watching the raid on the embassy in Libya on CCTV in real time, and repeatedly refused Ambassador Stevens' call for more security." from the OP

Is there ANY evidence that this assertion is true?
No.

From the link supplied above, and from what I've heard in the deposition of RSO Lamb by Darrell Issa's star chamber - there is no mention of urgent emails,
CCTV feeds or Drone Surveillance in real time.

What is sounds like is the CEO grilling the Janitor for not keeping the glass out of the lobby when the Hurricane hit. I predict when this is finally exhumed for a post-mortem you will find the same inquisitors set these people up for execution.

"When you try to dispute the actual persons involved at a Congressional hearing and blame the questioners or something someone got away with decades ago etc as a reasoning why her hero's should get away with or a pass now. Something wrong with that mindset." no regr allia b

If you can't answer a simple question "Who said what, and when?" you're not
credible. That reads almost directly like a Dilbert Sunday comic -

"Are you saying that the studies of this particular topic are flawed - or are you
just generally opposed to science, rational thinking and all manifestations of common sense?" http://dilbert.com/2012-10-28/

Yes I did thanks..by the time it got to RI it had gone by me by about 2 hrs..I'll post on the "hurricane channel"..thanks little Johnny

"Do you even know what a blog is? This is not a news organization of Government office. It is a blog that people post opinion of articles written."

Fine. Are you going to now claim that my opinion - that facts matter and the overwhelming responses on these blogs reads almost directly like a press release from Fox news is innaccurate? Is it unwelcome?

You lot seem quite willing to heap criticism on people actively engaged in the daily operations of a Nation and it's interests abroad, but find the same attention
withering. That's not exactly standing on the strength of your convictions, is it?

In past references I have been challenged that my preferred sources are too biased to be considered as valid. The prior citation of the Blaze was an illustration that on that point - an "acceptable" source concurred.

I still hold to the belief that a publication that runs "Hit the Road Barack" on it's cover has clearly stated it's position vis-a-vis the President.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

"The e-mails have been shown and reported for the last 6 days by every news organization on the planet."

Citations, please.

I refer you to the OP -
""But, now seems that the State Department was watching the raid on the embassy in Libya on CCTV in real time, and repeatedly refused Ambassador Stevens' call for more security." There is nothing in the deposition that confirms this.

Provide citations to support this claim, if you can. If you can't, it is a supposition.

I can suppose that there is a gigantic space monkey circling the dark side of the moon that influences the weather - but cannot offer definitive proof. Same thing.

While “Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.” definitive claims of malfeasance place the burden of proof on the accuser.

"Yes you used the Daily Beast on Page 5 of your comments by the way.. As usual only sites of pudits that agree with your narative."

Not so. I only mention the Niall Ferguson article, above.

"Your so called citations are amost allways of other blog writers."
ABC is a news organization. Bill Moyers has been involved in the reporting of news since he left the Johnson administration.

"This among other things is why it is pointless to answer your constant drivel based on nothing credible." Define credible.

Glenn Beck and his "un-named sources" don't meet the smell test.

http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/Fascism.html

Slander n.
Defamation, in which someone tells one or more persons an untruth about another which untruth will harm the reputation of the person defamed.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/slander

"I know more about the cruelty of that era then you could ever know, having family members who died because of the likes of them and Stalin."

Then you should recognize, more clearly than most, the parallels and pitfalls.
http://www.ehow.com/info_8074761_early-warning-signs-fascism.html

http://www.amazon.com/Fascism-Short-Introduction-Kevin-Passmore/dp/0192801554

If it walks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck -
it's probably a duck.

There is something seriously wrong with you in my opinion. An opinion cannot be a lie, it is an opinion and therefore cannot slander anyone. Ask a lawyer. My last response to you on this, as it is pointless to answer your post.

You have not watched the news and seen the copies of the actual emails thats your ignorance. Citation's not required. You did not watch hearings, read the emails. Sent to over hundred people. Sent too the situation room at the White House. This thing went on for 7 hours and they were left to fend for themselves until wood disobeyed orders and went in.

Think what you want, in the end you will never believe the truth only things you see in your minds eye evidently.

Just like Carter sending Sea Hawk (Sea Hawks cannot be used in a sand enviroment obviously) Helicopters into the Desert to rescue the Iranian Hostages. Ignorance in this Administration was even worse, since people died. History repeats it self.

Do you even know what a blog is? This is not a news organization of Government office. It is a blog that people post opinion of articles written.

Citation; Daily beast

Naome Lixes

10:22 am on Thursday, October 25, 2012

The DoJ has finally charged one of the major players in the colossal fraud that
lead us here. http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/24/us-bankofamerica-fraud-lawsuit-idUSBRE89N17120121024

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2012/05/06/why-can-t-obama-bring-wall-street-to-justice.html

Happy now

Yeah but c'mon Lix..there was no reputation to defame nor an untruth

"There is something seriously wrong with you in my opinion."

Do you find that only intelligent people agree with you? Do you find that everyone in disagreement is an idiot? I define idiocy as an inability to deal with facts.

If you can't present them - yet insist on their veracity - that's a faith basis.

From the OP -
"But, now seems that the State Department was watching the raid on the embassy in Libya on CCTV in real time, and repeatedly refused Ambassador Stevens' call for more security."

There is still no evidence of this - no denial of aid, nor refusal of assistance.
The Issa Inquisition is determined to find this, but as the OP assert, it has not
been proven true.

"An opinion cannot be a lie, it is an opinion and therefore cannot slander anyone."
Claims of racial superiority are opinions, based on lies. Claims of Creationism are opinions, based on lies - shall I go on?

If you want to make a bold statement that you can't back up, and insist that it be tolerated as if it had a factual underpinning - try Craigslist they have a section called Rants and Raves.

" a malicious, false, and defamatory statement or report: a slander against his good name." I would agree that Obama has little standing among his detractors
(myself included) but I judge on things that can be proven.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-benghazi-obama-romney-campaign-20121030,0,5017531.story

"This thing went on for 7 hours and they were left to fend for themselves until wood disobeyed orders and went in."

Prove it.

"Think what you want, in the end you will never believe the truth only things you see in your minds eye evidently."

I think this was a CIA OP gone horribly wrong and a faction of the Gaddafi regime
exacted it's revenge using their local sources. I don't think that this administration
denied calls for assistance or watched it go up in flames on CCTV.

That is the essence of the original claim, and the supposition behind the Issa Inquistion that is looking to damage the President immediately prior to the election.

'Just like Carter sending Sea Hawk (Sea Hawks cannot be used in a sand enviroment obviously) Helicopters into the Desert to rescue the Iranian Hostages."

Now, you're claiming expertise into Desert tactics, and comparing a rescue operation to the storming of a Villa? What part of this doesn't read directly like the Fox script being touted? If you're agreeing with something that SOUNDS correct, but has no proof behind it, that's confirmation bias.

That's what I'm on about - the willingness of older people to goose-step in time
to Roger Ailes drumbeat. Given that you claim both military, aeronautic and historical expertise, you must recognize the familiar framework built by iL Duce.

"Ignorance in this Administration was even worse, since people died."
How many foreign service officers have been lost, under prior administrations?

http://www.afsa.org/AboutAFSA/President/AttackonLibya91112.aspx

History repeats it self.

Naomi Congressional investigation into Benghazi are now scheduled to begin on Nov. 15 and then the truth will set you free. Nixon resigned over water gate Clinton was impeached for lying What will happen to the annointed one over four dead Americans including an Ambasador? Many, many questions will be answered. Can't wait!

"What will happen to the annointed one..."

My, aren't WE clever.

Naome-It's hilarious to watch Jack Baillargeron try to debate you-It's like watching a group of 8 year old Pop Warner football players going up against the New England Patriots.

It was a pleasure for a couple of months on this site when the editors starting removing Jack's comments and he had his feelings hurt and deleted his screen name. Unfortunately, he's back with the dyslexic spelling of his name (how appropriate), and trying to pick fights with anyone who disagrees with his wacko views.

Cranston voter ...............wow someone who is awake it is so hard to find in this state.I will be voting for Romney and Doherty! Obama does the same thing that Novan did to you he says he is right and follows that by look it up thus his minions think he is tell ing them the truth so they refuse to look it up and if they do it is with the main stream media or should I say Pravda who spreads the deceit and the lies to cover for the Prez. Keep up the good work at trying to wake up people even though it seems impossible we need to turn this ship around before we end up like Europe.

" main stream media or should I say Pravda "

Oy, gevalt.

Apparently:.This problem has been fixed. I can Now SEE what's going on without Logging On. This is GOOD

" Our national security has never been in this bad of shape ."

You do remember what happened in 2001?

john
what happened?..Personally I thought they were hilarious.. did something happen?
Some of these posts were of a different world but I have to say, with a grain of salt, Naome pretty much stays on topic..this is about clinton's decisions..

"...don't you listen to the news, read the paper, read the internet, listen to the radio? It's all there and comming out."

Actually, it's not. What's promulgated has been mostly propaganda - it's purpose?
"Please consider Romney, Doherty on Nov. 6th."

This has Karl Rove written all over it...
http://rsnorg.org/opinion2/289-134/13458-romney-jumps-the-shark-libya-egypt-and-the-butterfly-effect

sorry cranston voter i dont listen to the media they tell it in a twisted form and no i wont vote for romney or doherty its Obama and a write in

"They stroll the streets in gangs thursting for more."

I couldn't make this stuff up, if I tried.
Joe won't go away, if his side loses - he'll double down.

http://nymag.com/news/politics/elections-2012/tea-party-2012-10/

"What this person is not smart enough to know is that if the President is not re-elected, she will become Joe and Jack and all others who grasp for anything negative about an incumbent President whether truthful or not."

That's a supposition, and presumption to know another's mind.
Let's get something straight - I'm no fan of Obama.

If an open forum willingly prints grand claims that cannot be proven, then it's open season, and the noobs deserve no quarter. This steady diet of biased assertions, half-truths, and outright fabrications don't originate from Liberal sources.

"Her debate style is the exact opposite of the people she is arguing with."
Quite right, I like facts. What has happened to the Obama administration since the Fast and Furious inquiry looks exactly like what happened to Clinton when the
Whitewater grand jury couldn't find anything - it's a witch hunt.

I say again - this sort of political gutter brawling doesn't come from the Democrats.

"I remember the craziness." "George Bush was responsible for Hurricane Katrina,"
I remember watching a city drown while our National Guard was deployed in Iraq.

If we're going to judge Obama by what happens on his watch - the same criteria applied to previous administrations must be observed.

We sat idly on the sidelines when the Tea Party came on for the half-time show and refused to leave the field. I want my country back, and hounding out propaganda
is a good way to start.

Jim-Please do the readers a favor and save your teabagger rants for your anti-government, anti women, white supremacist meetings. You, Joe Sousa, and Jack Baillargeron must really have a ball at those get togethers.

Those of us that don't care to meet someone offering a "2nd amendment solution"
are justifiably cautious. Politically motivated violence isn't coming from progressives.

One of the Founding Fathers used a similar tactic, and it was judicious then.
http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/114007

(His picture appears on my favorite currency note.)

wow.. b kcaj (jack b ?) time for your midol and nap maybe

It's not as if they're listening to us, is it?

Is there any real doubt which way RI will vote?
Just next door, in the hotly contested Brown/Warren race - NEITHER candidate has even driven through Fall River. They only show up where there's a contest.

That ain't us.

Another typical anti-women statement from "leave ri". Your tired old post about Midol and a nap is getting pretty stale-time for some new material.

"Fortunately because of racist, homophobic, male chauvanists such as you and your fellow neanderthal Jim lezzi, President Obama will win re-election and we won't have to listen to you and your fellow teabaggers for the next 4 years."

(wow.. b kcaj (jack b ?) time for your midol and nap maybe)

wow jack did that hurt?

jack 345 Blackstone Blvd..think it's covered under Barry Care

"leaveri"-PO Box 62 Garrett, IN 46738, the national headquarters of the Ku Klux Klan. With all the money you've donated to them, they'll probably put up a plaque in your honor.

"Make no mistake about it, he and his crew are incapable bad people."
Thag no like scary black man? Given that so many of the Obama adminstration are holdovers from the Bush 43 admin - were they possessed by the Devil?

"If Obama gets elected Nov 6 he wil be sworn in... and Impeached"
I have no doubt that this do-nothing, McConnell-Boehner lead GOP is planning just that - intsead of attending the Nation's business.

I believe the core rage in Congress is that a junior senator jumped the line and
got his shot when they felt it was their turn, either to run or become king-makers.

It has NEVER been about what Obama does - it's always about who he is.

He's what America is starting to resemble, and tired old men don't like that much.

If the GOP caucus actively pursues impeachment of Obama, they will have discarded what remaining credibility they now hold.

"Even the main stream media have been forced to report on his shortcomings, lies, and deceit." For instance? Isn't that the job of reporting, to hold those responsible accountable for their actions?

If you don't recall the days after Lehman brothers got sold out, take a browse.
Compare 2009 to 1929 and the aftermath of each.

G'head.

sorry miss jack..no NRA membership, Limbaugh doesn't get my attention or airwaves..last time I used my palm on my wife was hi fiving her after finishing the Wounded Warrior Project Navy SEAL challenge together...you're dismissed.

Pretty juvenile, no?

You mean anger that the most conservative voices insist on writing their own narrative
or denial that the facts being touted have precious little to do with what really happened? What is NOT surprising is how the same supporters of invading Iraq on a false pretext (Bush got a pass, for eight years) would consider this patriotic.

When terrorists hit the consulate in Benghazi, Romney and the Republicans couldn’t muster the decency or discipline to wait until the disaster was over before they politicized it by attacking the president, even while the fires at the consulate were still burning. Imagine if the Democrats had reacted the same way during 9/11. They would’ve been tarred and feathered and driven out of Washington on a rail. Yet the Republicans did it with impunity.

If you identify yourself, willingly, with the forces that have brought this country to the brink of financial ruin and actively engaged in undermining the clean up crew,
you are much like the GOP, liable and traitorous.

You either stand with US Americans, or against us.
Which is it, Albert?

@NK_Voter

At last, you comment within your area of expertise.

"He is a total let down, a liar, and doesn't deserve the respect that the "Commander in Chief" should receive." Based on what, exactly?

Something you have seen, with your own eyes, lived with in your own house?
This sounds like gut-churning bias, at a base level.

You're moving the goalposts, as you can't answer a simple challenge to your assertion - "Make no mistake about it, he and his crew are incapable bad people. "

Why, you don't like the way they dress? Some policy they enacted?
Or is it you don't like the way this administration has been portrayed?

Those are very different things, in this the second dawn of Yellow Journalism.

"As far as NBC, CBS, ans ABC are concerned it was only when other news outlets investigated the Libya incident.." you mean when Fox started dancing on
Ambassador Stevens's grave, or the Woods senior interview on Glenn Beck?
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-14/libyan-ambassador-s-death-not-a-political-issue-says-dad.html

"... they forced into having to report it..."
Which has largely been refutation of the sensational coverage on Fox.

Even Geraldo Rivera is disgusted, and I didn't know that was possible.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/post/geraldo-on-libya-stop-preposterous-nonsense/2012/10/26/ab76cab4-1f6a-11e2-ba31-3083ca97c314_blog.html

If you're buying into this, you've been had by the Propagandists.
Where DO you get you news, CV?

So tell us Joe-Which Romney/Ryan plan are you talking about?

Is it the plan to give more tax breaks to billionaires?

Is it the plan to revert back to the days when people of color were forced to sit in the back of the bus?

Or is it the plan to abolish Planned Parenthood, and utilize a coat hanger and a dar alley for birth control?

A Romney/Ryan administration would bring us back to the stone ages.

"Romney has the plan that will revitalize our country."

Does it involve selling off Puerto Rico and Alaska, handing pink-slips to 47% of us?
http://www.prioritiesusaaction.org/mitt-romneys-america

Let's hear it, Dr. Science!

"Same old attempts to antagonize."

Perhaps you mean, continued response to provocation.
Lead, follow or get out of the way, Jack.

Welcome back Jack-Glad to see you!

There were numerous bets going on regarding how long it would be before the King of the Patch, the all knowing, all seeing, master butcher of the English language Jack Baillargeron would end his hissy fit against the Patch, and return to his old tricks.

Looks like your withdrawl didn't last very long Jack, but it was a nice few weeks that the readers were not subjected to your mindless and gramatically horrible posts.

I predict Butlers and Footmen will make a comeback.
There's also projected growth in rag-picking and match selling.

You want to get people skills - fund the schools.
You remember the schools, doncha Joe, they're what you and your TCC
cronies would like to eliminate, right here in Tiverton.

Do you mean the schools that the Teachers Union continue to ruin, or the private schools that continue to put out top notch students ?

As usual, with Joe Sousa is all about hating and destroying the unions-something he's been blabbing about for years.

Time to get some new material Joe, and go change that camo t-shirt and clean those crumbs out of your beard!

b kcaj fjafj kakirj. Dictionary.com....I hope you are over the age of 60.

So you have a problem with dictionary.com? It's a very comprehensive and informative website.

No, I just think its funny. Next time can you use MLA format though?

Wow. You're really illustrating the divide in the country, right here.

So eloquent in erudition. Thanks for sharing!
I thought only Norway had TROLLS on the dole...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLEo7H9tqSM.

Vozes de burro não chegam aos céus

Lynn why so much hate?? Run out of batteries??

Link after link after link after link... “Why do you believe O/D or R/R should win this election?” I think (thlink) I was told too. Wait.... what’s in it for me?

And those would be the candidates from Tiverton First, who will clean up the mess and heal the wounds caused by the TCC.

Tiverton First-Vote YES

TCC and ICFAT-THROW THEM OUT!

So true Joe! My 9 year old has enough common sense to say vote for the guy that didn't lie because "that other guy" did.

That comment say's all we need to know about you! Mike get some help!!

The funny thing is if Romney gets in you people are going off yourselves because he's not who you think he is. He is going to go back to being the same old goofy Mitt from Mass. He will do as he's told

What the hell are you talking about.

"Realistic"??? I think "Irrational" is more like it.

That's the best you can do?

This is the same nuanced approach to the issues that has endeared so many to the
precepts of the Tea Party. An actual working plumber wouldn't be chiming in @12.

And if Romney goes the way of the progressive movement he will meet the same turbulance Obama is getting. We have to turn this ship around or we become Greece.

"Now that means Obama should be voted out of office just like past administrations." Nope - it means he's up for a contract extension.

He's outperformed St. Ronald... http://veracitystew.com/2012/06/17/reagan-vs-obama-on-re-election-and-economy-chart/

FYI - the only thing you have in common with working plumbers is familiarity with handling greasy pipes - am I right? It's genuinely impressive the way you type so well with only one hand...

Joe-This is tword for word he same exact political advertisement you posted at 6:08 a.m. today.

You have been warned by the Patch editors about their terms of use, and the fact that you must PAY for political advertisements on this site.

Maybe if you didn't spend all of your extra money on camouflage Underoos, you might have a few dollars to pay for legitimate political advertising.

b kcaj " This is tword for word" Looks like the expert made a third grade mistake. Tell us ,what's a TWORD ?

Joe-It's one thing to hit an extra key when typing a word, and it's something completely different when someone such as yourself butchers the english language by not knowing the difference between the words "here" and "hear".

And you have the gumption to run for town council? You might want to re=think that plan Joe, and get your priorities in order, the first of which would be getting a high school education and learning how to write and spell.

Joe, congrats on your election to the TCC Liar's Hall of Fame. Which one was it that got you in? Was it the 22% tax increase or that municipal employees have annually gotten "double digit raises for many decades?

Joe-With election day quickly approaching, many voters continue to have questions about your experience and qualifications for town council. In order to give the voters the information they need to make a decision on Tuesday, could you please briefly describe your experience and educational background, such as post secondary education, masters degrees, fellowships, etc.

Your responses would surely help voters to make the crucial decisions they are faced with at the ballot box. Thanks for your help-enjoy your weekend.

Second news flash-this just in!!!

Jack Baillargeron has a new screen name, but still wites and spells like a first grader with ADHD.

Shouldn't you be helping your neighbors clean up, being a compassionate conservative and all? Is this fictional tripe the only assistance you offer?

You Tea Party hacks are a dead weight around the neck of a drowning Nation.
Go Galt, Dave, since you're already on an island.

William Cohen: "We have been saying for so long that government is the enemy. Government is the enemy until you need a friend."

You, and the mob you stand with, are no help to anyone.

Thanks, Dave. When ever I need to be reminded why the teabaggers are a national laughingstock, I'll remind myself that they get their "facts" from Fox News and your website "butthurt.co" (I'm not kidding, look at your post).