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Residents Voice Anger Over Proposed Tolls

State officials told the crowd that fees on the Mount Hope or Sakonnet River bridges are unavoidable to maintain the spans.

 


Rhode Island Turnpike and Bridge Authority Chairman David Darlington hadn't yet made it through the second slide of his presentation when the questions started.

East Bay and Aquidneck Island residents peppered Darlington and Department of Transportation Director Michael Lewis with pointed questions and comments, most opposing proposed tolls on the Mount Hope and Sakonnet River bridges, throughout a forum last night at the Burnside Building on Hope Street in Bristol.

The response was not an unexpected development, Darlington said. Residents have come out in force at previous public hearings on the proposal that would bring tolls to the Mount Hope Bridge for the first time since 1998. The fees to cross the bridge — if the General Assembly approves proposals before it — would range from 52 cents to $3.25 each way.

Residents who live in the shadow of the bridge voiced concerns not only with the hit to their commuting costs, but to that of the local economies on both sides of the span should drivers seek alternate routes to avoid tolls. Darlington acknowledged the potential for "some attrition. There are definitely impacts," he said. "But most of the impacts go away in a short period of time."

But any hit — no matter how small it may be — is too much to sustain, according to Gail McGovern, owner of McGovern's Floor Coverings in Bristol. "If they're paying tolls to get to us, they'll go somewhere else," McGovern said. "We've been hanging on by the skin of our teeth. Now you're going to add tolls and strangle us a little more?"

Residents and local officials criticized — sometimes vehemently — the proposal to charge tolls one of the bridges, expressing anger over potential losses in economic development and real estate value, and perceived misuse of state funds.

Bristol Town Council Chairman Kenneth Marshal recommended the authority partner with the state Economic Development Corporation to conduct an economic study on the impact the tolls may have on both sides of the bridge.

"Seeing that the East Bay and Aquideneck Island is one of the largest economic generators and you haven't done a collaboration with EDC, I don't think you've done your due diligence," Marshal said. "It's disrespectful to the residents of East Bay."

Darlington, himself a businessman who also serves as chairman of the state Chamber of Commerse Coalition, said he understands the concerns, but the authority has little choice but to charge the tolls, he said. Revenue from the fees is the authority's only real source of income, and costs to maintain the Mount Hope Bridge and the Newport Pell Bridge approach $250 million a year, he noted. The authority's budget is $4.5 million short just to paint and make routine repairs of both bridges, he said. And if those repairs aren't constantly made, the bridge would deteriorate, forcing the state to impose weight restrictions or even eventually close the span.

"Our task is to maintain your asset. In order to do that, we need to spend a lot of money," Darlington told the crowd of about 40. "We can not let maintenance go. If the asset isn't taken care of, no one will be able to get over it and there will be no business."

Residents on the other side of the island have had to deal with similar issues for decades. The Newport Pell Bridge tolls have increased to $4 cash each way, a number set to increase to $5 this summer. E-Z pass rates will increase from their current 83 cents to $1.

"We owe it to the people who use the Pell Bridge to at least talk about sharing costs," he said.

The money to pay those costs won't be coming from the DOT, according to Lewis. The department is $3 billion short on maintenance costs over the next 10 years, the director said.

"I can't maintain the Sakonnet the day it opens. I don't have the money," Lewis said, showing a slide of the Wampanoug Trail bridge over Warren Avenue in East Providence, part of which is held up by wood timbers. "I'm not recommending this to anyone, but this is the reality. This is what we have all over the state. I need another $300 million a year."

Facing a deficit, the Rhode Island Turnpike and Bridge Authority voted earlier this year to increase the tolls on the Pell Bridge and explore reinstating tolls on Mount Hope. But that vote was made with the stipulation that the plan may be rescinded if an alternate source of revenue could be found. If approved by the General Assembly, that alternate source of revenue could be tolls on the Sakonnet River Bridge.

The legislation allows the transfer of the Sakonnet and Jamestown Bridges to RITBA. Tolls collected on the Pell and Sakonnet Bridges would be used for operating and maintenance costs and capital projects on all four bridges (Sakonnet, Pell, Mount Hope and Jamestown), as well as for other road and bridge projects throughout the East Bay. With the added revenue from Sakonnet, RITBA would not need to reinstate tolls on Mount Hope or raise the rates on the Pell Bridge.

Despite the DOT's and Turpike and Bridge's Authority's needs, local representitives have vowed to fight any fees on the Mount Hope and Sakonnet. State Rep. Raymond E. Gallison Jr. (Bristol, Portsmouth) and Rep. John G. Edwards (Tiverton, Portsmouth) have introduced bills banning tolls on the Mount Hope and Sakonnet River bridges, respectively, and Sen. Walter S. Felag Jr. (Warren, Bristol, Tiverton) has introduced both bills in the Senate. All have introduced the bills in previous years, but say they are more concerned than ever about discussions the Turnpike and Bridge Authority has been having about creating new tolls.

In order for tolls to be established, the authority would need the General Assembly to pass enabling legislation, and the trio of legislators have said they would vehemently oppose any such bill.

Related Topics: Mount Hope Bridge tolls and Sakonnet River Bridge Tolls

RI Politics

6:05 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

That's all I ever hear is that bills get submitted. And then they just sit and die? Push to get them passed. What is the problem? Or does telling your constituants you submitted a hallow bill cover your reelections? Pass a bill already!

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Robert E

10:30 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

They have passed this bill at least once maybe more but the Governor, Lincoln Almond vetoed it just like Governor Chafee would do. These bills mean nothing and are just so they can say we tried but the Governor vetoed it sorry we did our best vote us back in.

Joe Sousa.

6:17 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

The incompetence in the budgeting process at the State level is a known fact. Till we change the players the game will be played obtusely.
The Rhode Island legislature approved the $7.7 billion state budget on June 29, 2011,[1] and Gov. Lincoln Chafee signed it the following day, the day before the start of fiscal year 2012.[2]

Rhode Island has a total state debt of approximately $19,497,824,000 when calculated by adding the total of outstanding official debt, pension and other post-employment benefits (OPEB) liabilities, Unemployment Trust Fund loans, and the budget gap

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Karen McA.

7:50 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

The headline is quite misleading. There is no plan to put tolls on BOTH the Mt. Hope AND the Sakonnet.

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Portsmouth Citizen

9:45 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

@Karen: yes there is. Right now the Mt. Hope is under the jurisdiction of the RI Turnpike and Bridge Authority while the Sakonnet Bridge is RI DOT -- so there is no one single plan to toll both bridges since no single agency governs them.

But, many top officials from RI DOT, RITBA, and some in the general assembly have proposed toll on all those bridges at one time or another, including a plan to transfer the new Sakonnet Bridge to the RITBA so that all 3 island bridges will be under their tolling authority.

Jack

8:13 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

Put a toll on the new bridge after the first exit giving those who live in Tiverton a way around it.....those going to Mass and beyond must pay.....keep the DOT away so it will last

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Kevin

8:33 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

Putting a toll on both bridges would effectively make residents of Aquidneck Island prisoners. You simply would not be able to leave the Island without a fee. That is outrageous!!

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Nicodemus

9:39 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

I believe that is illegal too. Residents of an island can not be made to pay to leave by all roads. That's why the Jamestown bridge is free, while the Pell bridge is tolled.

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Robert E

10:24 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

Nicodemus there is no law that says you can not toll all bridge to an island that is a myth. It is no different then charging for the ferry to Block Island. As for the Jamestown bridge the dot wants to turn that one over to RITBA also so you will soon see a toll on that one also.

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DownTown

10:46 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

The Jamestown isn't tolled because it was paid for by Federal money.

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Nicodemus

11:02 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

Thanks, guys for the info. I thought is was a law. I learned something new today!

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John H

12:22 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Just like Staten Island. They are so totally prisoners over there. What's worse they won't build a bridge directly to the most important part of NY so they have to take a ferry. It truly is shameful. Aquidneck Island and Staten Island Unite! You have nothing to lose but your artificially contrived methods of egress!

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Dan D

3:04 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

There is a bridge to Staten Island at the end of Rt 287 in Jersey. Staten Island sits right off the Jersey Coast. A bridge from NY to that island would be the longest bridge in the world.

Fafar

8:51 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

A couple of quick options.
1. "Aquidneck Island, A Gated Community of the Future"
2. Secede, we could finally control where our taxes go.

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Pat

9:00 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

I can't believe the governor wants tolls again - oh yes, we're talking about our governor who won't have to pay to go over the bridges I'm sure. Take care of the people who work on the island and have to leave east bay or tiverton to get there - they aren't making a lot of money as it is, and you want more tolls plus an increase on Newport Bridge. We have to attend functions as part of a military group in Quonet from the east bay and now it's $8.00 round trip and you want to increase that again - shame on you - you should have taken care of the bridges on a regular basis instead of waiting till they got bad, had to be replaced and now you want the taxpayers to pay again. Shame - elections coming up - governor out. Keep up the good work to gallison, felag and bates to trying to keep the tolls off.

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Jack

9:10 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

First if the toll goes on the new bridge the Pell bridge stays the way it is, next buy a fast pass and the cost is .87 cents each way, shame on you for not reading all the options....if the toll is put on the second exit after the new bridge you still have away across for free.......if you want to go to Fall River then pay the same .87 cents with a RI fast pass

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Betty Mulligan

11:30 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

@ Jack. The ri resident pass over the Pell is increasing to $1.00, then watch how fast it keeps going up from there! If they ever do get tolls on ALL the bridges, they should be a minimum of 50 cents per bridge crossing, especially for bridges that have no alternative route.

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RI Politics

11:39 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

Jack anyone would be able to get off the tiv exit and then go anywhere they want in your plan. My plan is simple: I wont pay the tolls, pay the 20 cents extra in gas tax, buy breakfast in Bristol or lunch in Warren, or stop for incidentals on the island like I do now. From tight I just go 195 to work in the east bay! Then the state loses more money and the ones crying in Newport and Jamestown can cry more. Also how many of the bridge travelers work at raytheon? 2000 plus workers that will end up with a deal from raytheon to pay tolls and guess how much the next govt contact costs now?!

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RI Politics

11:41 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

From tiverton not tight. Damn autotype.

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Tom

6:46 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

hey, We paid one dollar to cross the Newport bridge in 1969 the same price we pay with a easypass in 2012.

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Chris Christensen

10:45 am on Monday, June 4, 2012

Taking care of the bridges was done on a regular basis, but just like having the RI NG and Reserve units it cost big bucks to take care of the bridges. Taking care of things does not come free...ever. Put the tolls on all of the bridges but keep the takings in a jar labelled "bridge only" and do not allow the money out for anything else no matter whose road it is. Then again if there are no tolls you can tell your grandchildren to save up their allowance to create a ferry system at each of the crossings and figure out how they will maintain the boats and the landings, and learn to get used to a slower way of life. It really wasn't all that bad looking back at it.

Tom

9:04 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

If we got the local government to get rid of many nonsense positions and stopped wasting money on pet projects and only spent money on what we need this wouldnt be a problem. The problem is too much Govt, for such a small state. Govt. Doesnt Create Jobs it only steals money from the people that have them

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Donna Bernier

9:07 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

truer words were never spoken,we are truly hostages on the island,pay to get on,pay to get off,pay to stay on!!!!

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Portsmouth Citizen

2:42 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

@Tom: "Govt. Doesnt Create Jobs ..."

Yes it does. My dad spent about 30 years in a career at Raytheon. That was a good job that paid for our house, college for the kids, a nice life in Portsmouth.

His job was created by the Federal government that decided it wanted to build military systems so it put it out to bud and Raytheon got the contracts, all paid for with taxpayer money. Look around you, Tom. On Aquidneck Island there are literally thousands of people who have jobs because the government created them.

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Chris Christensen

10:50 am on Monday, June 4, 2012

The problem is who are you going to have in power to determine who is needed and what do you need that is absolutely required. Remember that they will have to be very honest, tough, and beholding to nobody. Good luck finding someone for that job in RI, and for that matter in any state. Never gonna happen!

Ray Davis

9:24 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

Putting a toll on all the entrances to and from Aquidneck Island is punative to every person who lives here or any buisness that is on this island. We pay TAXES to maintain and build bridges to the state. Put tolls on the bridges to the Porvidence Plantations and see what happens!

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Robert E

10:37 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

Build a wall arounf Pawtucket or Cranston and charge everybody to enter or leave and see what happens. This is what they are trying to do to us.

Aquidneck Inmate

9:24 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

I am a retiree with a fixed income. I live on Aquidneck and volunteer in Bristol. If I
have to pay to get there ... even if it is -$40/mo.I will no longer be a volunteer. How
many other people will lose the opportunity to assist where needed?

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Betty Mulligan

11:35 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

Excellent point, "Inmate". Then there are students that are already counting their last penny, families who have relatives or sitters off the island or on the island working off island. Tolls are meant for high use highways, like those that go from state to state, not to put a further demand on only a certain section of the people in one state. Isn't there some law that would prevent that discrimination??

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Chris Christensen

10:56 am on Monday, June 4, 2012

You could certainly find something on the Island to volunteer for. There are opportunities all around you and others that would like to volunteer. Did you ever wonder why places need their volunteers. Money!

Kevin Carty

9:26 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

As a resident of Jamestown, I have been paying tolls on the Newport Bridge since 1985 while the revenue paid for the maintenance of it and the Mt. Hope Bridge. I commute to North Dartmouth 3 times a week and would not consider driving through Providence to access RT 195. And some residents and politicians object to paying a .52 cent for the Mt. Hope Bridge? Give me a break! It's a question of equity and shared costs.

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Robert E

10:38 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

Keven get ready to pay a toll on the Jamestown bridge that one will be next

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DownTown

10:49 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

But you are okay without a toll on the Jamestown bridge right?

That bridge has already required major maintenance which was not paid for by a toll.

So sure put a toll on the Mt Hope and the new Sakonnet but put one on the Jamestown bridge also so users pay to use that. That bridge cost nearly $200 million.

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Betty Mulligan

11:43 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

I'm guessing you are not in a low income bracket. Many on fixed or student incomes cannot afford even $1 a day (that's $20 a month that could be their electric bill). You, yourself, will be paying Jamestown, Newport, and either Sakonnet or Mt Hope if this ridiculous plan ever makes it. That would be $2 each day for Pell, ? for Jamestown, ? for Sakonnet and ? for Mt Hope. This is a VERY slippery slope. Do you realize how much people w/o money for entertainment count on the island for "free entertainment", not found much in RI? Just walking around Newport or Wickford, etc. gives them something to do. Like the volunteer who helps out in Bristol, $40 a month would probably be the cost of a medication co-pay, so would stop his helping others. I think your comment leaves much to be desired and seems to be thinking only of people with money, who are, these days, not plentiful.

kevin Bourne

9:33 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

There are many people that pay toll on the Pell Bridge every day. Why not give them a break and let the residents of the Bristol and Tiverton areras anti up for a change?

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B/STOCK

2:00 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

Please Kevin no class warfare or divide and conquer. We all pay gasoline taxes that are supposed to be used to maintain the roads and bridges. The money is just given to mass transit or put in the dark hole general fund. A small fraction is used for its intended purpose. Every time someone gets on a bus we all in a sense pay a toll b/c the buses are subsidized by the gasoline tax. We can always change our plates from the Ocean State to the Toll State. No new tolls anywhere until we get our money back from Curt Shilling. And yes, you folks on Aquidneck are getting the shaft so I do agree with you there Kevin. Good luck.

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Portsmouth Citizen

2:46 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

That's a false choice. It isn't "Pell Bridge" against "Mt. Hope"

It's Aquidneck Island against the rest of the state. There are literally hundreds of bridges and overpasses throughout the state that were built and are maintained by ALL Rhode Islanders paying taxes. Why are we singled out?

Float a bond large enough to cover the building and maintenance costs of all the bridges and roads and spread the payment across all Rhode Islanders.

Otherwise, we're paying for the state costs for roads in Cranston, Pawtucket, Westerly and everywhere else, but here in Aquidneck Island we have to pay as we go? That's just not right.

Nicodemus

9:43 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

Why not put toll plazas on I-95 at the Connecticut and Massachusetts borders? Or charge cars to enter Downcity Providence, as they do in London England? Why do the Governor and DOT think that the ONLY option is to put tolls on essentially the only three bridges in the state? Ridiculous!

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Robert E

10:34 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

The Federal Government wont let them toll an interstate highway. What the could do is put tolls on state roads leading into other towns in the state to spread this around. Put a toll on 146 or other state highways.

Matt Borges

10:48 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

Gotta cut some fat elsewhere.. We are living in a state where people foolishly think that its a good thing that Police are pulling people over for seatbelt violations.. Its all about the money. We have too much of everything going on. It was a mistake to over develop Middletown for the BIG store like Bestbuy, Staples, Officemax etc. How about the Petco plaza on West Main? Our local Govt has single handedly allowed for the demise of our local economy by letting those companies in. Taking business away from true local families. They better not allow something else to really grab the rest of who is left by the throats.

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Ray Andrews

10:51 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

As someone looking at this from the outside looking in, I've got to say it looks pretty stupid. So if I get this right, the Authority, who's purpose is to maintain the bridges, that have deteriorated under it's watch, needs more money, to support the Authority, and maintain the bridges, that have deteriorated under its watch ??

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Jim L

11:08 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

how much money they getting for the old bridge steel? that could be enough to maintain the bridge lets be fair put a ten cent toll gate in front of every town hall in the state share the pain
o r better yet put a tool booth up on rt 24 just past fish road coming to newport i know all the loacls can figure out how to get around that, then only the out of town suckers get it, of course plenty of places in newport will close but so what, at least the bridge is in good shape, i mean whats more important, maintaining a bridge or jobs, seems simple to me!!

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Just Another Taxpayer

11:06 am on Friday, June 8, 2012

Jim L, currently DOT does not have plan to dismantle the Sakonnet Bridge.

Sarah

11:24 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

I live on the island and travel over the Mt hope bridge everyday for work....i don't really like the of a toll but if they're going to put it back on there, there should be a toll on all of the bridges

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Matt Borges

11:40 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

This is all with EZpass. Aquidneck Island, Jamestown, Bristol/Warren, Tiverton residents all pay flat rate .25 on all RI bridges. All other RI residents .83. Out of state power users (10+tolls per week) pay $1 all other out of state Ezpass users $4. OOS cash $5. I wrote something like this the other day.

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RI Politics

11:51 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

Wow. Even though I am opposed to the tolls this is a better idea then the damn govt. Would like to see a referendum rider also so that tolls cannot rise unless approved by those residents.

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Sarah

12:19 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

That's an awesome idea.....just hope that's how it would actually work.

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RI Politics

12:34 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

That is just his idea Sarah. If it were the States it would be shocking because it makes too much sense.

Anna Palmieri

2:20 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

Chafee will sign it. He is signing anything that he can to make money. Why don't they just take all our money and then they can pay all our bills for us and just give us a little spending money. The government wants to run our lives totally.

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Robert E

2:28 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

I'm buying a boat that way i don't have to pay tolls and in RI there are no taxes on boats like there is on cars it's a win win.

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Greg Parisi

2:32 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

I do see both sides of the argument. The people that use the bridges the most thus get the most benefit of those bridges existing should pay to maintain them. Think about it, if you lived in Cranston would you be this up in arms? Of course not, classic case of NIMBY. However trapping people on the island isn't fair or equitable either. I like Matt's suggestion. Locals need to get a better rate. Just like how they put a bigger burden on tourists crossing into Newport, do the same for Sakonnet.
Also, there should be some way to not pay 4x if you drive from Bristol to Tiverton and back - being on Aquidneck for about 3 miles and 5 minutes.

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Portsmouth Citizen

2:53 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

It's not a case of NIMBY. It's a case of fairness.

Aquidneck Island has roads and bridges that are maintained by the state. So does Providence, Cranston, Warwick, and the rest of the 39 cities and towns.

But, only for Aquidneck Island does the state demand that we pay as we go. The entire rest of the state is paid for by RI state general funds with no tolls.

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Chris Christensen

11:18 am on Monday, June 4, 2012

The idea of being "trapped on the Island" is a mite foolish. Nobody trapped anyone. They trapped themselves. I can remember a saying that " To get a Newporter(read Islander) to leave the Island was akin to pulling teeth out of a rattlesnake. You could always leave. Mt Hope toll was 25 cents one way, the Jamestown ferry wasn't all that much more and the Jamestown Bridge was free and so was the Sakonnet bridge. So much for those two free bridges, one is gone from deterioration and the other may fall down any day now. Have they stopped punching holes in the Newport Bridge road surface yet and do any of you wonder why they have to open up the roadway so many times in different places. Next time you go to Jamestown count the patches. What is hiding under those patches?

Daphne

2:35 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

The idea that island residents don't leave the island will become a reality if all of the bridges are included in this toll plan. Plus, we have people here who don't want stores like Target, so we're stuck with Walmart crap, we've lost Best Buy, as well as stores that Walmart forced out like JoAnn's Fabrics. What's left for those of us living and working on the island? We can't even go to Warwick or Fall River then w/o paying a penalty. It must be made equitable for those who live and/or work here.

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Matt Borges

3:14 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

Exactly what I was getting at with the over development of Middletown. If the towns made it harder for the big business to come in and dominate the market to flush out the local business just to close down their stores (Best Buy OfficeMax). We would be self sufficient and still have our local merchants.

Npt Native

2:52 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

I am lucky enough to work off the island <sarcasm>. I spend a pretty penny on gas every day and pay my daily toll. My pocketbook can't take much more. I already save all of my shopping when I am over the bridge. This island and the prices on it are pushing islanders like me to purchase goods elsewhere. The only store worth shopping at here is BJ's. The Walmart and Michaels in Warwick are actually priced lower than those on the island. Makes no sense!

I say no to tolls. I don't want to have to pay extra to go get my gas in Fall River. :-p

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Julie Mott

6:41 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

Very frustrating! Aren't there bridges, used by many, in Providence that can be tolled? Washington, New I195? Why not distribute the tolls fairly rather than concentrating them in one location?

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Ralph Doliber

6:50 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

The solution is so Simple and makes so much Sense.

One of the yokes-in-charge previously said that such a large percentage of Sakonnet Bridge users are from out-of-state and that locals would therefore have to pay tolls, too. No way around it, they say. So sorry, they say.

Plates will be photographed and toll fee bills mailed to bridge users.

BUT, wait a minute! IF we HAVE to have tolls- How about all vehicles registered in Newport County do NOT get toll bills sent to them, just the "large numbers" of out-of-towners?

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Greg Dawley

7:57 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

What's so wrong with you use it, you pay for it.

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Robert E

9:57 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

Nothing if you did that for every bridge in the state the problem is they want me to pay extra for the bridges in Newport county that I use and at the same time pay for bridges in the rest of the state that I don't. Get rid of the gas tax and everybody pays for only what they use but do not single us out when the rest of the state gets a free ride. This is nothing more then discrimanation because of where we live.

David Silvia

8:00 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

give it a little time, the big huricane will blow into ri knock the bridges down, and all the roadway structures they are ready to fall, then they will get rebuild

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Karen McA.

8:27 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

Thanks for changing the heading - it's a choice of increasing the toll on the Newport and re-tolling the Mt. Hope OR putting a toll on the Sakonnet. At least the bridges will be maintained.

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John H

12:19 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

I'm pretty sick and tired of hearing my fellow island residents complain that they have to pay for the continued upkeep of their technically complicated salt-air besiged direct links to the mainland. YOU LIVE ON AN ISLAND! You aren't supposed to be a part of the mainland and that feature has costs to go with it's (admittedly dwindling) benefits.
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A FREE LUNCH!. Do you think the taxpayers of Podunk ID, Screwed NE and WhattheH MS relished chipping in for the Pell Bridge despite it's complete lack of necessity back in 1960-something? Or, for that matter, in helping to buy us a brand new bridge over the Sakonnet after the island and the state took such crappy care of the old one it couldn't be fixed?
Frankly we better start growing up here on the island and in the state because one of these days a Republican dominated congress is going to show some Federal Parent tough love and if the infrastructure we don't pay for will end up looking like this: http://youtu.be/C31IlOHNzbM
So buck up and start paying for your contrivances....or.....get off the island and start living in the real (cheaper) world.

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Robert E

12:49 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

John you need to check your facts no federal money went into Pell or the new Sakonnet river bridge if it had they would not be able to put tolls on them so the taxpayers of Podunk ID, Screwed NE and WhattheH MS paid nothing for them. We are not looking for a free ride we already paid for them we don't want to have to pay twice. If we have to pay tolls then we should not have to pay the gas tax. people in other parts of the state use bridges that need to be repaired and they do not have to pay a surcharge all we want is to be treated like the rest of the state it is not our fault the state mismanages it's funds.

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Jack Baillargeron

1:34 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

So let me get this straight, "You aren't supposed to be a part of the mainland and that feature has costs to go with it's (admittedly dwindling) benefits".

Are you aware that by your theory the State would lose a billion dollars, because that is th estimate of the revenue from the tourism industry. I think the Island could support itself on that quite nicely. A lot of my family who lives there, thank you for that idea lol.

By the way, if you do not live on the Island, you are going to see an enormous decrease in your living standard and wages, with that plan. Happy Trails lol

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John H

7:44 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

au contraire. The Sakonnet bridge was funded via guarantees from the Federal DOT via the Garvey funding mechanism. Until RI retires the debt, federal money is, essentially, held hostage to the state's ability to pay.
As for the Pell bridge: federal money in support of west and east passage spans over the bay can be traced all the way back to 1920 and kept coming right up to and past the creation of RIBTA. Almost all the preliminary engineering work was USG funded as was the money for the east end right of way and interchange. Moreover there would be no Pell bridge if it wasn't for the current J-V Bridge planned with the 1984 I-895 funds and bailed out by US arranged guarantees during the fiasco of it's construction.

Last time I checked the state handles maintanence of several roads and culverts on the island- you would have Pautucket pay for that? Really? Does your car, job or the goods that get shipped to you require travel over the roads of the mainland? And you shouldn't maintain that plus your special conveyences?
The island needs to ante up for the free ride it's enjoyed. Period.

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John H

8:17 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

@ Jack

No the state won't lose it's revenue because you and the tourists will pay for the bridges. Anyone on the island not sucking on the hind tit of the Navy/Government will be suffering anyway: RI's brand of subsidized tourism enriches the few and enslaves the poor in minimum wage jobs, meanwhile the dwindling middle class pays the third highest water rates on the East coast as its property taxes (again) outpace CPI and GDP while the island's per cap GDP falls (despite the continuing attrition in population.) And you want to whine about an extra couple of bucks per week to LIVE ON AN ISLAND! Really?

Bear401

7:00 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

I agree with Tom. Get rid of the overabundance of unnecessary crony positions on ALL levels of management. Former Gov Alamond stated that state government was top heavy but did nothing except add to it. Go to the Vets Home sometime when they have a dept head meeting & peek into the Conference Room. Not only does every chair around the table have someone sitting in it every chair along the walls have someone in it too. A Lot of people with titles. That's just one small facility in this state & a perfect example of the corruption & cronyism that is woven into the fabric of state & local government as well in RI Now multiply that by every facility in every department. Plus does anyone actually believe that these tolls if enacted would actually go where we are told?

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ralph

8:29 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Maybe I can't get my head wrapped around these figures to maintain these bridges, but I find it an awful lot of money in maintaining the Mount Hope and Newport bridges at a 1/4 billion dollars a year? Maybe I need a better breakdown of that $250 million dollars. If we are talking just for the upkeep of these structures(ie. paint, change light bulbs, structual inspections,etc), I find it outrageously expensive. Perhaps I misread the statement of Mr Darlington. How much of this money if given by the Federal government? Look at the Braga bridge in Fall River. The construction on that bridge has been going on for several years now. Is that project funded from the state of MA? Does it come out of there maintenance budget or is it federally funded also?

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Robert E

1:05 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Ralph RITBA receives no federal funds all money comes from the tolls on the Pell Bridge.

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Mark D

6:36 pm on Saturday, May 19, 2012

The RITBA did recently receive an earmark of over $400,000 it was for the installation of the EZpass on the pell bridge. That was their first and only federal assistance.

Bob Magnuson

9:23 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

I live in Tiverton and use the Sakonnet Bridge once or twice a day each way. For those telling us to grow up and pay our fair share to maintain the bridges, I respond that I don't object to paying for maintenance on the bridges I use. But Mr. Lewis cited the poor condition of the Wampanoag Trail bridge in East Providence. I didn't use that bridge at all last year, but Mr. Lewis wants me to pay repair/upkeep on that one, too. So why can't the folks in East Providence help to maintain the bridges here? Rhode Island has a LOT of bridges. EVERYONE in Rhode Island benefits from SOME of those bridges practically every day. Therefore the pain of paying for them needs to be spread through the entire state. My ONLY objection to the tolls is the implication that, because I use the Sakonnet Bridge, I should see it as my civic duty to pay for repairs to bridges in Providence, East Providence, Westerly, and wherever. Sorry, but I see that as the civic duty of everyone in the state, not just the folks in the East Bay. Would it be fair for the governor to say "Okay, no tolls, but everyone in the East Bay has to pay a higher state income tax to pay for the bridges in Westerly"?
What's the difference???

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John H

7:17 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

My understanding is that he was using that as an example of why the general fund can't take on the island bridges: it has far too much deteriorating infrastructure throughout the state to take on the ongoing financial drain of suspension and high tressel bridges.

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DownTown

7:23 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

John our bridges are made that way to support shipping into Providence, Fall River and Quonset. That shipping includes a lot of necessities for the State such as gasoline.

They could be made much cheaper without any accommodations for shipping and pleasure craft.

Nate

1:34 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

what about the students? I go to PHS but I live in Little Compton, and I do not want to have to pay a toll fee to drive to school, sports, friends houses, or school activities.

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Chris Christensen

11:42 am on Monday, June 4, 2012

I didn't want to spend 50cents round trip to go to Bristol and back just to kiss my old girlfriend and see friends there either Nate. Get used to it. The good stuff cost bucks and soon the small bucks become bigger bucks. Soon as I went in the service they dropped the toll on the Mt Hope. Enjoy what you have now in Little Compton(a very nice place BTW)

TAMORI

3:36 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

So far, this comment by “Robert E” makes the most sense.

Greg Dawley
7:57 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012
What's so wrong with you use it, you pay for it.

Robert E
9:57 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012
Nothing if you did that for every bridge in the state the problem is they want me to
pay extra for the bridges in Newport county that I use and at the same time pay
for bridges in the rest of the state that I don't. Get rid of the gas tax and
everybody pays for only what they use but do not single us out when the rest
of the state gets a free ride. This is nothing more then discrimination because of
where we live.

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Robert E

5:15 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Maybe if the state wasn't giving Kurt Schilling $75 million plus what ever amount they give to keep him afloat they would have the money to maintain the bridges in this state. Things like this is why we have no money in this state $75 million for video games $0 for infrastructre.

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DownTown

6:42 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Our bridges are purposely made higher than they need to be in order to accommodate shipping and boating.

That's a cost borne solely by drivers. There is no toll for crossing under our bridges.

Next time just make the bridge 100 feet high and save the drivers who pay to maintain these bridges a whole lot of money.

If they toll the new Sakonnet we'll know fairly soon since the DOT has said they would have to set that up before the new bridge is finished.

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DownTown

7:52 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

I've read some opinions from people who live in Jamestown that they are sick of paying a higher toll on the Pell bridge in order to maintain the Mt Hope.

If that's not calling the kettle black I don't know what is since the maintenance of the Jamestown bridge is paid for without any tolls as are 600+ bridges in the rest of the state that we pay for.

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smart

8:36 pm on Friday, June 1, 2012

what is amazing is 4 years ago the bridge auth told everyone that the bridge auth make platy of money off the pell bridge. now e-z pass is here an now the bridge auth is short on money, get rid of the middle man an the state take e-z pass cut an the bridge auth get the rest. all of the surrounding states laugh at rhode island , taxes, insurance, electric, gas , the school system, . mean while mass is creating thousands of jobs , rhode island cant creat a 100 jobs. oh wait rhode island has 75 millions for 14 month and 350 jobs , way to go, here an idea take care of the working class family an you might find people might have some money to spend, dont forget 44 percent of the people that go to hi li r from mass. dont forget rhode island has 9 city an town that cross over to mass to buy their gas an food. thanks i hope.an maybe one day i will move back into rhode island.

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getreal

1:41 am on Saturday, June 2, 2012

Add insult to injury with DOT Blunders.......New Westerly AmtrakStation built with DOT and Fed. funds cost 44 mil....currentl only 139 regular users of this new state of the art DOT $$ facility....COST PER USER " $ 316,546.76 " We have the money for this but need tolls on Aquidneck Island.......

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David

7:41 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

Folks you REALLY need to take a few minutes to email all the reps. Google RI house of reps and you will find a list with all 75 members and emails. EMAIL THEM ASAP. Aside from the 10 "auto replies" I got, a few from the other side of the state did get back to me and stated that if our reps talk to them about it they would be inclinded to help us. Gov. Chafee can veto what he wants but he is 4 and out. That man has no chance in hell of winning again if he vetoes any bill opposing the toll on the Sakonnet.

EMAIL EVERY STATE REP NOW. THE VOTE IS THURSDAY.

Rep Edwards is a good man and is fighting for us but needs our help!

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DownTown

8:56 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

Rhode Island has 754 bridges. 604 of them are owned by the State and there are tolls on only one bridge with tolls proposed on 2 other bridges all connecting to Aquidneck Island.

No tolls on the Jamestown bridge which has already needed major repairs and that bridge was paid for with funds originally earmarked to upgrade the Bristol County roads.

$28 million for a train station in South Kingstown, $48 million for a train station in Westerly, $1 billion for the new iWay, hundreds of millions spent upgrading Rt 4 and access to Quonset Point, ................. Massive subsidies for schools in Central Falls, Providence, Cranston, Pawtucket, Woonsocket while they are taking money away from nearly every single East Bay community.

When was the last time the State rolled out some grand taxpayer funded project in the East Bay? Roads? Bristol's State roads haven't been paved for 20 years. The current project is rolling along at the pace of a tortoise.

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BILL KELLY

9:20 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

Pick Pocket Politics called tax targeting here.....

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Joe Sousa.

9:26 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

The sheep we send to the State House don't know how to get loud " Baaaaaaa"
Revolt !!!

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Chris Christensen

12:04 am on Tuesday, June 5, 2012

Perhaps a good idea would be to find some Sheep Dogs and send them to the State House. Of course most people do not like sheep dogs even when they are needed. When you have state that has always been full of sheep you will have a lot of trouble finding a group of mangy old dogs.

Joe Sousa.

9:34 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

Governor Gump has no clue how to fix the States economy. The death spiral continues. Till people stand up and raise some hell things will never change. I'm not holding out Hope. After Rhode Islanders get kicked in the teeth , then we may hear a little grumble.

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Ralph Doliber

12:30 am on Thursday, June 7, 2012

1st- ALL Pro-Toll persons for the new Sakonnet bridge *please* let us know what town YOU live in!

No B.S, please, thank you..

2nd- Of all the comments good and bad?

DownTown has it Down!

DownTown gives us valuable FACTS that show the hosing our area gets!

The ORIGINAL Sakonnet bridge is not coming down for lack of tolls, she's coming down because of the various maroons-in-charge over the years kept diverting the funds for the frickin' thing..so WE and WE only should be penalized for the stupidity of our fearless Leaders?! sheeesh..

TOLLS on ALL RI bridges OR just LEAVE things ALONE!

ALL RI bridges having tolls means ALL Rhodites pay THEIR share!
Fair is FAIR is fair..

Gat Dang It All..

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Robert E

1:44 pm on Thursday, June 7, 2012

Larry you forgot to tell everyone you live in Cartersville, GA. we don't have a problem with tolls if the whole state paid them but they are singling out one area of the state and still want us to subsidize the rest of the bridges in the state but are not asking the rest to subsidize the bridges in our area.

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Chris Christensen

2:57 pm on Thursday, June 7, 2012

OK, as a ex-Newporter who grew up on the Island in the 50's and then escaped via the US Army for 20 yrs ending up in TX and deciding to stay here and now live in Corpus Christi on the Third Coast. Read no snow to shovel. But I still have family and many friends in RI and in MA which would cause me to pay any tolls in your local area and the intervening tolls between my home and your area. I would never consider having to pay a toll as a reason for me not visiting. I did stop driving my large heavy motorhome, pulling my car over the Sakonnet Bridge due to its visible terrible deterioration I noted after reading about it and talk of lowering the weight capacity.

Here in TX on the Third Coast we have our problems with a major bridge that was declared safe when the bridges were falling down and they were being inspected all over the nation. Now they are talking about where they will place its replacement bridge. Hmmmm! No talk of tolls...yet. Then again we have free ferries connecting parts of the coast, paid for by the State which of course means us folks that live in TX, all of it. We have no income tax. We pay a sales tax on just about everything. Such is life...you have to pay for things somehow. Non-Texians aren't charged anything to ride on our ferries!!! Bring your big motorhomes and tow your cars and wonder at the free ride across the water to Mustang Island from the mainland. Drive on the beach and camp or just take a Sunday drive on the beach. Say Wha!

Dan D

1:44 pm on Thursday, June 7, 2012

the residents affected by these tolls should force their town to give gas tax waivers to all gas stations in town. If they aren't going to pay for our roads, we shouldn't pay their road taxes!

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Robert E

1:49 pm on Thursday, June 7, 2012

I remember a time the DOT had federal money left over so they cut holes in the bridge deck so they could patch them to use up the federal money so they did not have to pay it back. A year later they had to replace the deck because of their lousy patch job. It is not just a matter of lack of maintence but also destructive actions on the part of DOT that lead to the deterioration of the bridge.

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Chris Christensen

4:00 pm on Thursday, June 7, 2012

I don't know that I believe all that Robert E...but I can remember driving over the Newport Bridge and each time noting the larger growing number of patches that kept multiplying and wondering each time...Do I really want to be way up here? But family and friends called so I kept biting the bullet.

DownTown

3:47 pm on Thursday, June 7, 2012

Another $7.5 million for West Bay subsidies with the dredging of the bay to Quonset Point (owned and financed by the EDC).

As usual no announcements about the State spending money in the East Bay.

Remember the State built these bridges to generate revenue through the sales tax from out of state spenders. When these bridges were built, some of that sales tax went to the community itself so we the taxpayers had a stake in it. Now we don't see a penny from the sales tax yet they want us to pay for everyone else's costs. Money that the DOT would have spent on bridge maintenance will go to fix roads elsewhere in the State.

Let's see if the State actually 'gives' the bridges to RIBTA. I had read a year or so ago that RIBTA would buy the bridges from the DOT with the money going to fix the rest of the roads in the State.

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Robert E

8:43 pm on Thursday, June 7, 2012

From the Fall River Herald
"Local representatives say that despite their opposition, tolls may be implemented on the new Sakonnet River Bridge as soon as December.
The new tolls would be part of Gov. Lincoln Chafee’s proposed budget, which the House is set to vote on today.
"It’s something that I am adamantly opposed to... It seems a little unfair to me and the 35,000 people on Aquidneck Island," said Rep. John G. Edwards, D-Tiverton and Portsmouth, R.I.
"And you might as well cede Tiverton and Little Compton back to Massachusetts."
Read more: http://www.heraldnews.com/news/x40875408/RI-reps-say-despite-their-opposition-tolls-may-be-implemented-on-the-new-Sakonnet-River-Bridge-by-December#ixzz1x9qflzXH

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Ralph Doliber

10:24 pm on Thursday, June 7, 2012

HEY Larry!

NO, Aquidneck Island being the ONLY TOLLS in RI???

NO TOLLS ON THE OTHER 600 and SUMPIN bridges????

If just ONE area of the state pays all the TOLLS, just HOW is that FAIR??? huh, Larry??????????

it's NOT FAIR is right, bucko!

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Robert E

10:39 pm on Thursday, June 7, 2012

From now on I am buying all my gas in Massachusetts if I have to pay a toll to maintain the bridge then I am not going to pay another cent to Rhode Island in the form of a gas tax.

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DownTown

10:46 pm on Thursday, June 7, 2012

Aquidneck Island is now effectively tolled off from the rest of the State. Of course when it comes to taxes the State is right there to claim you as a State resident.

From the little I can gather area legislators and one from Cumberland made some impassioned arguments to help the area but to no avail.

No mention of the Mt Hope as far as tolls go but for all practical purposes the Mt Hope is not an escape route from the Island and for me when I go over the Mt Hope it's a prelude to the Sakonnet into MA.

http://news.providencejournal.com/breaking-news/2012/06/ri-budget-house-7.html

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DownTown

10:55 pm on Thursday, June 7, 2012

All of these bridges are now completely ineligible for any Federal transportation funding for repairs while the other 700 bridges in the State are eligible.

Not only are we losing whatever State funds that would be spent on them we are also losing any Federal dollars.

Add those losses up with the State education funding losses and look at the State spending here in general versus the rest of the State and you should be getting the idea that as an area the East Bay is completely unappreciated and for all practical purposes unwanted by the State except as a source of tax revenue.

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Robert E

11:44 pm on Thursday, June 7, 2012

Has anyone else noticed that the new bridge seems to have a list to the north? Before we accept this bridge from the contractor this need to be checked out we wouldn't want the new bridge to fall over after it is open.

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Joe Sousa.

5:05 am on Friday, June 8, 2012

Our Legislators got punked by the Democratic Leadership. . It's time to revolt!

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Joe Sousa.

5:58 am on Friday, June 8, 2012

On November 5, 1990, President George H. W. Bush approved the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1990. It embodied a compromise the Republican President had reached with the Democratic-controlled Congress to reduce the Federal budget deficit. The Act increased the Federal gas tax by 5 cents, with half the increase going to the Highway Trust Fund, the other half to deficit reduction.

The Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993, signed by President Bill Clinton on August 10, 1993, increased the gas tax by 4.3 cents, bringing the total tax to 18.4 cents per gallon. The increase was entirely for deficit reduction, with none credited to the Highway Trust Fund. However, the Taxpayer Relief Act of 1997, which President Clinton approved on August 5, 1997, redirected the 4.3-cents general fund gas tax increase to the Highway Trust Fund.

That is where the gas tax remains today.

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RI Teabagger

6:45 am on Friday, June 8, 2012

Let's not forget our state tax of 51.4 cents/gallon, one of the highest in the country. That's why we shouldn't be paying more to use the existing roadways.

DownTown

6:41 am on Friday, June 8, 2012

Joe as 24 is a State road rather than a Federal highway tolls do not have to be approved at a Federal level.

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DownTown

6:59 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012

Unless the new Sakonnet was paid for with Federal money Gordon is wrong. The Feds won't allow tolls on a road paid for with Federal funds.

24 doesn't even qualify to be a Federal highway due to its curves.

Jim L

8:53 am on Friday, June 8, 2012

How about they leave the old bridge up for locals

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TD

9:03 am on Friday, June 8, 2012

That's funny. Then when the bridge collapses due to continued rotting and knocks over the new bridge, we'll just put in a ferry service!

Jim L

8:57 am on Friday, June 8, 2012

What should be done is the federal goverment should be asked to allow RI to place tolls on 95 next year and remove the bridge toll, i believe we could get this done, no reason we couldn't get ALL the reps and senators to approve that, and have our washington folks push it hard, or just get the money from curt shilling

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Jim L

9:02 am on Friday, June 8, 2012

And make the tolls tax deductable, for anyone who is instate or works here

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Jim L

9:03 am on Friday, June 8, 2012

Will school buses be exempt from this/ or did all school sports just rise in cost again?

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Robert E

11:17 am on Friday, June 8, 2012

I don't think that they will be exempt Jim before they removed the toll on the Mt. Hope bridge the RITBA was charging the police, ambulance and fire trucks to go over the bridge. They told the departments if they were on an emergency call they did not have to stop they could just pay the toll later.

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Tiverton Dad

12:32 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012

Jim, it sounds like the cost of fire and ambulances will rise on the municipal side. Where's your usual outrage? Or is that just reserved for the schools?

Ralph Doliber

12:51 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012

Hey Larry!

wow, you are one WITTY guy! now, let's take a look at one of your comments, shall we?

" Larry Welsh
12:52 pm on Thursday, June 7, 2012
I live in a town where I pay tolls, and if you pass through my town you will pay tolls too. Fair is FAIR is fair."

WOW! upper case letters! and don't give me that 'ohhhh, i wuz only copying you'
you wrote it kettle..

WHY BRIDGES so TALL?

Newport was built to accomodate a then thriving naval base and all it's ships, my guess is same for the other bridges.

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Jack Baillargeron

1:28 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012

Actually the Navy was against its construction, as it negated the new carrier piers built at Quonset that were to be used for, well carriers and never used but once for the Wasp. They instead settled for the bridge being built with a long center span than would collapse if Bombed into pieces small enough to sink below water to allow ships to pass over it. The towers are also in piece length that would even if straight up in the channel would be below the draught of the ship, if I remember right. Doing all this from memory ;-}.

The Wasp had to remove its antenna structure when it came here to get under the bridge, it was a small class carrier even back then from WWII. I believe there was a Tall Ship that has to take something down also when they do around about the bay parade also.

But you are correct that Military considerations are always involved in any bridge where a military or any ships for that matter travel. Height, width, and depth of the center water opening being the main requirements to be dealt with.

It all became a non issue anyway after the Atlantic fleet was pulled out. On 15 June 1968, Wasp's home port was changed to Quonset Point, R.I., and she arrived there on 10 August to prepare for overseas movement.She played a prominent role in the manned space program, serving as the recovery ship for three missions: Gemini VI, VII, and IX.

She was retired in 1972 and sold for scrap in 1973.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Wasp_(CV-18)

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Ralph Doliber

10:42 pm on Monday, June 18, 2012

Thank You, Jack.

I was going on memory, as well. I was about 4 yrs old and remember my parents talking about it. I came close!

Jim L

1:32 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012

Tiverton dad someplace on here i asked about school busses and the like, the tolls will only add cost to the school budget with kids being bussed around the state for sports, and other towns will have to pay the tolls to, of course the payment for these tolls will fall directly on the taxpayer, i don't know why fire and ambulances would rise, most tiverton folks go to fallriver for health care, of course so do alot of portsmouth folks so their getting a real porking, i think school busses will spend alot more on tolls the ambulances, so that should cover your question about them of course now ever taxpayer in Tiverton now knows their property tax is going up just to pay for school sports, Outrage? the tolls are the most stupid un fair thing the state has done in a while, they should set up the toll booths before fish road coming from fall river, that way locals can get around with out paying thru the nose, I

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Robert E

2:11 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012

Jim every time Portsmouth has a fire Tiverton sends an engine to Portsmouth to cover their station as does Portsmout when Tiverton has a fire. Both Portsmouth and Tiverton ambulances respond to each others town on a regular basis. The fire trucks and ambulances cross the bridge far more often the do the Tiverton school buses. The Little Compton school buses on the other hand pass over the bridge at least 4 times a day as their kid attend Portsmouth High School now with the toll that may change.

Jim L

1:35 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012

the toll booth should be placed so thar every local can avoid them, just like in NH, last exit before toll, it's the only way I can see this being fair to local citizen
, someplace before fish road, or after the common fence point exit

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Jim L

2:24 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012

Robert E , I am aware of the mutual aid agreement, and i wonder how the tolls will effect this, clearly this whole idea was not thought out, just a hidden tax

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Jim L

2:25 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012

And it's not every time Robert E, it's when nessary

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Robert E

3:11 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012

Jim every time they have a working fire the Portsmouth Fire Dept call Tiverton or Middletown to cover our station. Portsmouth has a small fire dept and empties the station to fight a fire needig mutual aid for coverage in case a second call comes in. I have herd times when we send a engine to tiverton to cover one of their stations and then we call Middletown to send an engine to our station. Except for Fall River and maybe Newport none of the fire depts around here are large enough to adequately cover their towns with out mutual aid. To staff a large enough fire dept would be cost prohibitive.

Ralph Doliber

7:45 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012

" Larry Welsh
1:42 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
Don't tell me about the Navy, Ralph. I actually served in the Navy. Sorry I mocked you, by quoting your "Fair is FAIR is fair" nonsense (I mean that in the literal sense: it makes no sense.)
See you at the toll booth. Don't bother waving."

Yo Larry? WHAT, because YOU were in the Navy MEANS I CAN'T present a FACT about the Newport Bridge?!? I wasn't telling you SQUAT "about the Navy", it was about the bridge.

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Ralph Doliber

7:54 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012

NOW, Mr Larry, hear this:

My Father was in the Navy 25 years. He was stationed at Newport Naval base in the early 1960's.

I was BORN in the Newport Naval Hospital in 1965.

I REMEMBER taking the Ferry from Npt to Jamestown BEFORE the Newport bridge was BUILT. I REMEMBER the bridge being built to accomodate AIRCRAFT carriers. I REMEMBER the FLEET at the Newport Navy Base was sent to Virginia by Nixon. The Navy had Dad stay here, thankfully. I was THERE through it all, cheify.

Next time you cross said Npt bridge please look UP and see the SHIP OUTLINES in the framework.

So, PLEASE don't give me the 'ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, I was in the Navy boo hoo' crap!

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DownTown

8:01 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012

I believe in the long run this added toll will be a detriment to the State economy.

The only answer to any question in this State is to spend more and tax more which is why we are 3 points higher than the national unemployment rate.

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David

8:50 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012

FOLKS THE SENATE VOTE IS MONDAY. SEN BATES FOUGHT AGAINST THESE TOLLS AND WILL AGAIN ON MONDAY. HE STATED TO ME THAT THIS CAN WAIT AND DOES NOT NEED TO GO IN UNTIL AT LEAST NEXT SESSION IF IT MUST AT ALL.

THESE ARE THE STATE SENATORS. CALL THEM ALL WEEKEND LONG. FLOOD THEM WITH CALLS.

1 Senator Maryellen Goodwin sen-goodwin@rilin.state.ri.us (401) 272-3102 Bio
2 Senator Juan M. Pichardo sen-pichardo@rilin.state.ri.us (401) 461-2389 Bio
3 Senator Rhoda E. Perry sen-perry@rilin.state.ri.us (401) 751-7165 Bio
4 Senator Dominick J. Ruggerio sen-ruggerio@rilin.state.ri.us (401) 222-3310 Bio
5 Senator Paul V. Jabour sen-jabour@rilin.state.ri.us (401) 751-3300 Bio
6 Senator Harold M. Metts sen-metts@rilin.state.ri.us (401) 272-0112 Bio
7 Senator Frank A. Ciccone III sen-ciccone@rilin.state.ri.us (401) 275-0949 Bio
8 Senator James E. Doyle, II sen-doyle@rilin.state.ri.us (401) 729-9988 Bio
9 Senator Michael J. Pinga sen-pinga@rilin.state.ri.us (401) 276-5594 Bio
10 Senator Walter S. Felag Jr. sen-felag@rilin.state.ri.us (401) 245-7521 Bio
11 Senator Christopher Scott Ottiano sen-ottiano@rilin.state.ri.us (401) 222-2708 Bio
12 Senator Louis P. DiPalma sen-dipalma@rilin.state.ri.us (401) 847-8540 Bio
13 Senator M. Teresa Paiva Weed sen-paivaweed@rilin.state.ri.us (401) 222-6655 Bio

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David

8:51 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012

14 Senator Daniel DaPonte sen-daponte@rilin.state.ri.us (401) 222-3438 Bio
15 Senator Donna M. Nesselbush sen-nesselbush@rilin.state.ri.us (401) 728-3244 Bio
16 Senator Elizabeth A. Crowley sen-crowley@rilin.state.ri.us (401) 725-8526 Bio
17 Senator Edward J. O'Neill sen-oneill@rilin.state.ri.us (401) 728-3295 Bio
18 Senator Frank A. DeVall, Jr. sen-devall@rilin.state.ri.us (401) 433-4353 Bio
19 Senator Bethany L. Moura sen-moura@rilin.state.ri.us (401) 222-2708 Bio
20 Senator Roger A. Picard sen-picard@rilin.state.ri.us (401) 769-4902 Bio
21 Senator Nicholas D. Kettle sen-kettle@rilin.state.ri.us (401) 473-7784 Bio
22 Senator John J. Tassoni Jr. sen-tassoni@rilin.state.ri.us (401) 233-2602 Bio
23 Senator Paul W. Fogarty sen-fogarty@rilin.state.ri.us (401) 949-0895 Bio
24 Senator Marc A. Cote sen-cote@rilin.state.ri.us (401) 765-3360 Bio
25 Senator Frank Lombardo, III sen-lombardo@rilin.state.ri.us (401) 270-1379 Bio
26 Senator Beatrice A. Lanzi sen-lanzi@rilin.state.ri.us (401) 946-7125 Bio
27 Senator Hanna M. Gallo sen-gallo@rilin.state.ri.us (401) 942-8566 Bio
28 Senator Joshua Miller sen-miller@rilin.state.ri.us (401) 276-5582 Bio
29 Senator Michael J. McCaffrey sen-mccaffrey@rilin.state.ri.us (401) 739-7576 Bio

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David

8:51 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012

30 Senator William A. Walaska sen-walaska@rilin.state.ri.us (401) 737-1065 Bio
31 Senator Erin P. Lynch sen-lynch@rilin.state.ri.us (401) 739-8500 Bio
32 Senator David E. Bates sen-bates@rilin.state.ri.us (401) 246-1379 Bio
33 Senator Glenford J. Shibley sen-shibley@rilin.state.ri.us (401) 222-2708 Bio
34 Senator Francis T. Maher, Jr. sen-maher@rilin.state.ri.us (401) 222-2708 Bio
35 Senator Dawson Tucker Hodgson sen-hodgson@rilin.state.ri.us (401) 203-3256 Bio
36 Senator James C. Sheehan sen-sheehan@rilin.state.ri.us (401) 885-1988 Bio
37 Senator V. Susan Sosnowski sen-sosnowski@rilin.state.ri.us (401) 783-7704 Bio
38 Senator Dennis L. Algiere sen-algiere@rilin.state.ri.us (401) 222-2708 Bio

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David

8:55 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012

Sen David Bates asked where the economic impact study was on the Senate floor today. I told him the study will ready five years after the toll goes into effect and the State says "whoops".

For me it's not a big deal. I can go 24 to 195 to 103 or 136 to get to my job and family. But with that goes my gas tax dollars, lunch and dinners I stop for, morning coffees, etc. My main fight against this is the stupidity these people have for not seeing the economic impact and the serious loss of money to the state via business taxes. It really blows my mind that these people are suppossed to be so smart!

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Ralph Doliber

9:08 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012

Heyyy Larry, ONE word- WEAK

Who the heck was BRAGGING?

I SET your ARSE Straight and you come back with

"get off your duff" ???????????????????????????

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAA-HAAAAAAAAAAAA-HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

I gave you my BACKGROUND to tell you:

I WAS THERE and KNOW wtf Happened!

WERE YOU??

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Ralph Doliber

9:14 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012

'ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, I'm Larry and BRAG about my being in the Navy, ohhhhhhhh, but if YOU mention the Navy I will accuse you of JUST what I DO'

Who gives a fermp if you were in the Navy- it has NO bearing on this article. YOU are the one who brought it up to DISCREDIT my FACTUAL information about the bridge..

So I let you KNOW that I WAS THERE when the bridge WAS built, buddy boy.
And YOU don't LIKE it, huh Larry?

'ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, I'm Larry and talk some bullcrap'

face it now, you ain't got squat ;o)_..

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Ralph Doliber

9:18 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012

Larry Welsh says to me-

"Maybe it's time you stopped just watching other people do the work and chipped in a little to pay for the bridge maintenance. Get off your duff."

What are saying, Larry? That I should go work on the BRIDGE???

DON'T judge MY work ethic without knowing a thing about it, JUNIOR!

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Robert E

10:39 am on Saturday, June 9, 2012

You are correct Larry the world does not owe us a bridge the state owes us a bridge. From the time this bridge was built we have been paying taxes to the state to maintain it and they have not upheld their part of this agreement. Instead of using our money for maintence like they were supposed to they have been giving our money to millionare baseball players to play video games. The bridge need to be replaced due to the malfeasance of the DOT and we should not have to pay twice.

Ralph Doliber

9:23 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012

Larry,

giggle- you did NOT even know about the Ships Outlines on the bridge, didja?

So you get mad and fire-off some total WEAK NONSENSE at me..get a life..

p.s. The NAVY SPECIFIED that Aircraft Carriers MUST be able to go under the Npt bridge, or they would have to pull the Fleet O-U-T!

Ya didn't know that either, didja?

giggle

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walter peabody

11:40 am on Monday, June 11, 2012

27000 people cross the pell bridge every day at a buck a piece to keep it simple . that’s just under 10 mil a year . Over 43 years that’s 430 mil .The bridge only cost 54 mil to build .which is a great for ribta. Being as it’s the only toll road in Rhode island you would think that the funds from that toll would only be allocated to that road , ah but it isn’t . thank you Rhode island turnpike and bridge authority for maintaining our beautiful bridge . I mean it’s a nice smooth ride if you like off roading . The toll is a cash cow with out a doubt . why do you think they want to toll the new bridge ? The state is broke . There’s about 60,000 of us on the island and we all use the bridges one way or another . The tolls are a horrible idea because the revenue isn’t going to be used to maintain the roadway where the toll is it will pay for all the other roadways that are in need of major repair across the state in the RIBTA care cause they are doing such a great job already . Seeing as I only use the bridge once in a while I don’t really care about the cost to me personally . But our bread and milk and everything else which crosses that bridge will cost us more than it already does . that’s everything for everyone . Not to mention the business we will lose .And if you don’t live around here well then you can just pay the 4 bucks each way and pound sand because ribta and your reps don’t care about you .

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Jim L

12:21 pm on Monday, June 11, 2012

tHE POINT IS, THAT YOU CAN CHOOSE(opps sorry) to not use the newport bridge, residents of Tiverton LC portsmouth and otherswill have no choice , it is a tax directed at 5 towns in newport county, no where else in the state will money be raised to maintain this bridge, how much will this effect school sports? frieght? just going to go see mom? I don't know how class action works but i think it may be the way to go, Newport bridge has a much larger tourist number than we fo, and it also has nowhere near the number of daily commuters we do, just insane, will newport county get more school aid, or property tax relief from this, Don't bet on it

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Jack

5:12 pm on Monday, June 25, 2012

You can choose....there is no toll on the Mt Hope and there are roads to take you around to use it.....so if you CHOSE to use the bridge then pay for the choice you made.......I do like Mr Borges proposed tolling scale, it is actually very fair to all

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Dan D

11:51 pm on Monday, June 25, 2012

Jack: how do those of us in Tiverton "choose" how do people who want to go from Portsmouth to Tiverton, or LC "choose" - choose to drive 30 miles around through Mass? No, there is no "choice" for a lot of people.

Chris St Peter

12:44 pm on Monday, June 11, 2012

I Travel Over The Sakonnet River Bridge 5 Days A Week. If They Put A Toll On That Briedge, I'll Pull A Dukes Of Hazard And Build A Ramp On One Side Of The River And Just Jump Accross. YEEEHAWWW!!!!

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Dan D

10:02 am on Monday, June 18, 2012

we should rebuild Stonebridge and charge our OWN tolls. (free for residents, out of County people pay $2, which is $2 cheaper than the others, which in turn would drive more traffic through stonebridge and make the businesses on Main road mucho dinero)

Ralph Doliber

6:33 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012

My GAWD Larry, are you even paying ATTENTION?!

you said "was referring to the fact that you seem to believe that being spawned by a sailor is equal to actually being a sailor. It's not, because thinking that is just sad."

WHEN did I say that? hmmm, Larry? or even imply it?

I was talking about a BRIDGE and you go ALL 'ohhhh, I was in the navy blah blah blah blah so don't TELL me about a bridge blah blah blah'

And I gave you some INFO as to why I might know about the BRIDGE Larry BRIDGE..say it slow B..R..I..D..G..E..BRIDGE!

My old man ALSO worked in local shipyards after retirement, am I ALLOWED to speak of that? He drove a Chevy Impala, CAN I speak of CARS, Larry?

Okay, Larry, PLEASE give your reply some THOUGHT, good sir!

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Ralph Doliber

10:47 pm on Monday, June 18, 2012

Hey Larry!

you say "You should pay for the work others do on your behalf. If you are able to but don't, some might think of you as a leach who thinks the world owes him a bridge. The world does not owe you a bridge, Ralph."

Yup, you got me..my whole LIFE has been a QUEST to get a FREE bridge from the WORLD!

Larry? Quit being an ASS! Fair is FAIR, and having the ONLY two TOLL bridges right here is UNFAIR!

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TAMORI

9:37 pm on Monday, June 25, 2012

Ralph and Larry,
There are some good comments and discussion on this thread. For some reason the two of you continue to squabble about irrelevant things like who severed in the military and who didn’t. That doesn’t have anything to do with tolls on our bridges. If you must continue your argument do us all a favor and take it to private message or email.

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Ralph Doliber

10:12 pm on Monday, June 25, 2012

Oh, I'm withya on that, TAMORI!

BUT, please read ALL the comments from start to finish and you will see that my "squabbles" are replies to the False words Mr Larry was putting in my mouth.

That said, my sincere apologies to any/all persons traumatized by that crap AND I promise that as far as Mr Larry goes I will/have drop the whole thang!

PEACE

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Ralph Doliber

10:26 pm on Monday, June 25, 2012

Read them yet?

On the discussion of tolls/bridges I presented what I remembered from back then and THEN Mr Larry comes-back with 'ohhhhhhhh I was in the Navy you can't tell me anything' CRAP

In none of my re-buttals do I SAY or IMPLY I was in the service! And yes, it ticked me off to read his delusions.

That said~ I then let myself go wayyyyyyyyyyyyy to FAR with Mr Larry.

Sincerely Sorry to All!

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Dan D

12:05 am on Tuesday, June 26, 2012

the stupid military argument in the middle of this basically killed any real conversation that could have taken place. Ridiculous.

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Ralph Doliber

12:30 am on Tuesday, June 26, 2012

@ Dan D,

Bullshite!

What, because I stood-up for myself towards a man lying about me you were PREVENTED from commenting on the bridge?? ANY comment is EASILY ignored, why did you read them?

I apologized for the lack of restraint regarding Mr Larry and NOW you're gonna pile-on and give me crap?!

3rdx~ My Sincere Apologies to Any and All Readers/Commenters!

Seriously

PEACE (you too Dan D!)

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Ralph Doliber

12:34 am on Tuesday, June 26, 2012

Okey Dokey Dan D!

Let the "real conversation" resume!

;o)_..

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Dan D

7:38 am on Tuesday, June 26, 2012

No, I said my piece because you blamed the whole thing on him, said you were done, and posted twice about it, now you respond to me THREE times. Im done, wont respond to you again. Geez louise.

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Ralph Doliber

10:52 pm on Tuesday, June 26, 2012

I think NOT Dan D! It was OVER until you just had to leave a brain-fart of a comment for me. Done and Done THEN ya had to start chirping ..?

I did NOT blame anybody. I merely presented the FACTS of what transpired. And I certainly will not take any BULL from you, good sir!

After I apologized I THOUGHT of a little more to add. Beacuse you can't add to a posted comment I had to use "another" comment box.

SO, it was over.... BUT... nOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

Dan D, you just HAD to flap your gums at me when it was done and OVER!
Why did you wait so long to say something? As SOON as someone ELSE made a valid point about it you decided to KEEP it going.

As I felt you did NOT take the time to COMPREHEND exactly what was said betwixt myself and Mr Larry I let YOU know about it and thought it courteous to again relay that I really was sorry about DRAGGING it out.

Hmmm...aren't you doing what you bitched at me for?!!

Now, after spewing erroneous dribble at me you say 'ooooh, I won't respond'

Passive Aggresive MUCH??

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TAMORI

10:26 am on Wednesday, June 27, 2012

I have long wondered why boaters in this state get off without taxation. Geez that would be a lot of revenue. Is that not a tax that would go to the DOT…and could thereby help pay for the bridges? This article (from 2011) explains that if boating taxes returned to RI that it would be a detriment to our economy.

http://www.tradeonlytoday.com/home/509294-rhode-island-debates-lifting-boat-tax-exemption

Can Newport County institute a boat tax on its own?

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TAMORI

3:08 pm on Wednesday, June 27, 2012

Funny, Larry. What kind of boat you own? But that thing of beauty gibberish is of a matter of opinion. Is that half-sunken boat in Blue Bill Cove adding beauty to the waterscape? Many motorcyclists think they add beauty and provide a service to the community with their loud exhaust systems. Non-boat owners are also job creators, AND subsidize facilities used by ONLY boaters - pump out stations, harbor master/patrol, aids to navigation, draw bridges, etc. This is all kind of off topic. I’m just saying that if boaters paid their fair share in various taxes and tolls along the waterfront that there would be a lot more money in our coffers that could be used for bridge maintenance.

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John ("Anything But Sue")

3:40 pm on Wednesday, June 27, 2012

We had a boat tax years ago. Even visitors in their big mega Yachts were taxed just to visit Newport. The "Boat Taxes" were eliminated in the hopes that the boat BUILDING Businesses in Rhode Island would survive. They did survive and now we have flourishing business building Yachts again....even bigger yachts than before. Big Custom boats are Big Bucks.

The big cruise ships used to come to Newport. It wouldn't be uncommon to see Five ships at a time anchored off Newport. Then Newport slapped a TAX on the cruise ships. Now we only see a ship every now and then. TAXES never do any good.

Jim L

11:13 am on Wednesday, June 27, 2012

should get our state reps to put in the bill to tax boats, but only those without newport county addresses

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Matt Borges

11:59 am on Wednesday, June 27, 2012

http://patch.com/A-v4xb  Check out what I wrote about the tolls and how it could really diminish the quality of the Sunset League.  The oldest living amateur league in the country.

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TAMORI

3:11 pm on Wednesday, June 27, 2012

I saw that Matt. Good point. It's sad but true. I say we let...correction "make" Larry and the rest of his boating friends fund the Sunset League.

John ("Anything But Sue")

6:21 pm on Wednesday, June 27, 2012

Anybody wonder why Sen. John Kerry (D) MA) keeps his $7 Million Yacht in Rhode Island. ....RI doesn't have TAXES on Yachts. I support Sen.John Kerry for his business acumen. Beyond that.....?? He's a LIMO Liberal.

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John ("Anything But Sue")

7:50 pm on Wednesday, June 27, 2012

Larry: I think you are remiss: John Kerry served in Viet Nam and recieved 3 Purple Hearts in three months before he was transfered OUT of Viet Nam due to security raesons.

BTW: I have SEEN John Kerrys Yacht (Isabel) at Hinkleys Yacht Yard in Portsmouth.
I never thought the Yacht was worth 7 Million..(More like 1.5 million)..max. But I just followed the MEDIA Reports. The Media never lies.

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OldTownie

9:12 pm on Wednesday, June 27, 2012

Don't forget his Silver Star and Bronze Star.

Herb Weiss

10:32 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012

If the RIBTA and the State go ahead with the toll on the Sakonnet River Bridge, We the people of Aquidneck Island and Newport County should file suit against the State Of Rhode Island and seek an immediate court injunction to stop the toll for Unfair taxes and discrimination. I feel this toll is uncontitutional and illegal based on southern Rhode Island residents paying a higher tax rate than central and northern Rhode Island communities.

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Ralph Doliber

1:02 am on Monday, August 13, 2012

Hey Herb, not certain of that options viability BUT great idea!

If it is possible small donations by a lot of us could cover legal expenses.

Any attorneys out there who could shine a little legality light on Herb's idea?

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Govstench

8:25 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012

We all remember all of those Transportation Bonds that voters kept approving on each election cycle, right? Well, guess what? The dummies at DOT were playing the taxpayers for chumps - approve a bond so we can pay the debt service on the others you approved. I stopped voting for those damn things over a decade ago and urged my friends to do likewise. Now you have a debt bill that sucking out approximately half of the DOT budget. No wonder they have no money. They are paying the bank. What fools these people are.

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